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Old 09-19-2014, 07:41 PM
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On a grand sport a6. I had a 2008 with same mods except for the novi 2200 head unit. The guy I sold the car to loved it but said once in a while on a really hot day he would get some belt slippage. I know eventually I plan to forge the LS3 and probably swap the A6 out for a built 4L65 so any reason not to just upgrade to the 8 rib from the start? Or is that not even possible since until I do those upgrades I'm only looking to make about 600rwhp? Please advise f/I experts
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On a grand sport a6. I had a 2008 with same mods except for the novi 2200 head unit. The guy I sold the car to loved it but said once in a while on a really hot day he would get some belt slippage. I know eventually I plan to forge the LS3 and probably swap the A6 out for a built 4L65 so any reason not to just upgrade to the 8 rib from the start? Or is that not even possible since until I do those upgrades I'm only looking to make about 600rwhp? Please advise f/I experts
Only downside is your gana save yourself $ by doing it upfront rather than later because everything will be off for the blower install, I wish I realized it was that big of a deal to later cuz I woulda did it when I had the blower installed...
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Only downside is your gana save yourself $ by doing it upfront rather than later because everything will be off for the blower install, I wish I realized it was that big of a deal to later cuz I woulda did it when I had the blower installed...
Oh awesome, very glad to hear that. How much extra is the 8 rib upgrade on initial install?
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Looks like A&A sells a conversion kit for $1100. Not sure about ECS's cost. Also, may be cheaper if you never get the 6 rib to begin with.. hopefully someone else knows more than me
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Looks like A&A sells a conversion kit for $1100. Not sure about ECS's cost. Also, may be cheaper if you never get the 6 rib to begin with.. hopefully someone else knows more than me
Yea that's what I plan then. Just go 8 rib from the beginning.
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Good plan! Down the road if you go to a smaller blower pulley or a bigger blower, you are already setup...

Make sure to pin the crank the first time too.
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Good plan! Down the road if you go to a smaller blower pulley or a bigger blower, you are already setup...

Make sure to pin the crank the first time too.
ECS will be doing the work
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Do an 8 rib with a flip/direct drive to start with
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I did 8 rib up front, didn't need it, was a waste of money. Then added a flip drive so 1/2 the 8 rib stuff I bought was useless. Then did a 10 rib.

For 600rwhp I wouldn't touch it. When you upgrade the motor just do a full 10 rib/cog/DD setup. Anything in between is just a compromise and you may end up swapping more crap later.

Do an OD 10 rib IW balancer even if you run the 8 rib. No reason to buy balancers 3-4 times like I did. Went from 6 rib to 8 rib, to 8 rib od, to 10 rib OD. Complete waste of money.
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Originally Posted by turbotuner20v
Do an 8 rib with a flip/direct drive to start with
That is what I would do, Have to have the direct/flip drive.
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Originally Posted by gotjuice?
That is what I would do, Have to have the direct/flip drive.
Does ECS do these ??
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I did 8 rib up front, didn't need it, was a waste of money. Then added a flip drive so 1/2 the 8 rib stuff I bought was useless. Then did a 10 rib.

For 600rwhp I wouldn't touch it. When you upgrade the motor just do a full 10 rib/cog/DD setup. Anything in between is just a compromise and you may end up swapping more crap later.

Do an OD 10 rib IW balancer even if you run the 8 rib. No reason to buy balancers 3-4 times like I did. Went from 6 rib to 8 rib, to 8 rib od, to 10 rib OD. Complete waste of money.
Ok good info, thanks. I'll just talk to ECS when ready and have them do it this way from the start. The fact that i really never plan to have more than 700-750 rwhp through the 4l65 do you think id be good with asking them to do the 8 rib with flip drive??????
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Originally Posted by thegame
Does ECS do these ??
Yes, They use the direct drive from Cartek.
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Originally Posted by gotjuice?
Yes, They use the direct drive from Cartek.
Ok so the end goal and set up would be

novi 1500
8 rib with direct/flip drive
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forge LS3
do A6 to 4L65 swap
ecs fuel system

Pulley car to make about 700-750rwhp

ENJOY!!

I know it's nothing compared to most builds on this site but it's right for me.
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Ok good info, thanks. I'll just talk to ECS when ready and have them do it this way from the start. The fact that i really never plan to have more than 700-750 rwhp through the 4l65 do you think id be good with asking them to do the 8 rib with flip drive??????
I made 937whp on an 8 rib with direct drive, 8 rib will easily handle your goal
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Originally Posted by turbotuner20v
I made 937whp on an 8 rib with direct drive, 8 rib will easily handle your goal
Ok great, I always seem to like to overbuild for peace of mind. How much would the cost usually be rough ballpark to have them do the 8 rib with direct drive from the start?
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Downside is belt changes are harder on the side of the road. Other than that, it's not a bad idea. A 6 rib with a flip/direct drive will support 850-900rwhp, more than the 1500 will usually make.

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Originally Posted by turbotuner20v
I made 937whp on an 8 rib with direct drive, 8 rib will easily handle your goal
Oh you meant all I will need for my goal is the 8 rib set up. I think from reading some old post Doug from ECS seems to feel it will be fine with the 8 rib. I trust that guy completely. Great tuner and he puts up with Chris all day so patience of a saint I will simply upgrade to the 8 rib from the start and if in the future we had any problems or slippage issues im confident that ECS would have a good solution. Thanks for all the advice guys
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So seems for my goal its 6 rib with flip drive or 8 rib from the begining. II think I will go 6 rib with the flip drive and I should be good to go. So when they do my install Ill just ask them to order and install the cartek flip drive for my 6 rib set up then. Thanks guys !

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I would do full 8 rib over a 6 rib/DD. If you do the DD I would only do the cogged DD, then you have to buy the balancer, so if you do that, only difference is buying a $90 blower pulley to do 8 rib on the blower too.


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