RHS or ERL built short block?
04-21-2015, 05:20 PM
#21
Bore/hone with plates, deck, line hone mains, clean and prep for assembly shouldn't be more than $800 no matter where you go!
04-21-2015, 09:08 PM
#22
Le Mans Master
I was getting quotes of $2k-2200 just to machine a new lsx block... Which is $2500 on its own.. So for $4700... I'd pay the $1k difference and get the ERL Super Deck 6 bolt. Just the reduction in water temps is worth that money.
I would be a bit concerned about the liners dropping...not gonna lie..
I would be a bit concerned about the liners dropping...not gonna lie..
04-21-2015, 10:42 PM
#23
Le Mans Master
I have had my ERL Superdeck for a couple of years. Ran many Texas Mile runs. Fifth gear up to 7100 rpms and no issues so far. I have been very happy with my setup. I just wish I would have gone with a 6 bolt or 1/2 head setup. Boost and juice might be a little too much with a four bolt setup.
04-22-2015, 12:22 AM
#24
I have had my ERL Superdeck for a couple of years. Ran many Texas Mile runs. Fifth gear up to 7100 rpms and no issues so far. I have been very happy with my setup. I just wish I would have gone with a 6 bolt or 1/2 head setup. Boost and juice might be a little too much with a four bolt setup.
04-22-2015, 10:17 AM
#26
Le Mans Master
04-22-2015, 11:15 AM
#27
Melting Slicks
If you only have these two options to choose from and are looking to make 1000rwhp with a blower, I would pick the ERL block. Why? You have to do some research and see what information is out there. My current research points to multiple block failures with the RHS block. Mostly the block cracks from stress, but the rotating assembly and everything else is intact. You aren't getting what you paid for in this scenario. ERL issues don't seem to be prevalent at this time. Is this due to lack of reports or that there aren't any issues?
Is there any reason why are you limiting yourself to these two options?
What sleeves were used (wet or dry) and who did the machining and sleeve installation? When was the last time (month and year) that you experienced a dropped sleeve with an ERL block?
Andres, what type of sleeves are you using in the ERL Superdeck blocks? Are you using the Darton sleeves that have a flange diameter larger than the bore spacing? Do they have sealant grooves machined into the lower section of the sleeve? Is there a shelf cut into the deck of the block to allow the flange to seat and prevent the sleeve from dropping?
Are the blocks vibratory stress relieved before and after machining?
Is there any reason why are you limiting yourself to these two options?
Always great to see people doing their homework! I will be glad to answer any questions you may have. Here is my contact info:
Andres
avivanco@erlperformance.com
812.945.3434
Andres
avivanco@erlperformance.com
812.945.3434
Are the blocks vibratory stress relieved before and after machining?
04-22-2015, 12:11 PM
#28
Melting Slicks
If you only have these two options to choose from and are looking to make 1000rwhp with a blower, I would pick the ERL block. Why? You have to do some research and see what information is out there. My current research points to multiple block failures with the RHS block. Mostly the block cracks from stress, but the rotating assembly and everything else is intact. You aren't getting what you paid for in this scenario. ERL issues don't seem to be prevalent at this time. Is this due to lack of reports or that there aren't any issues?
Is there any reason why are you limiting yourself to these two options?
What sleeves were used (wet or dry) and who did the machining and sleeve installation? When was the last time (month and year) that you experienced a dropped sleeve with an ERL block?
Andres, what type of sleeves are you using in the ERL Superdeck blocks? Are you using the Darton sleeves that have a flange diameter larger than the bore spacing? Do they have sealant grooves machined into the lower section of the sleeve? Is there a shelf cut into the deck of the block to allow the flange to seat and prevent the sleeve from dropping?
Are the blocks vibratory stress relieved before and after machining?
Is there any reason why are you limiting yourself to these two options?
What sleeves were used (wet or dry) and who did the machining and sleeve installation? When was the last time (month and year) that you experienced a dropped sleeve with an ERL block?
Andres, what type of sleeves are you using in the ERL Superdeck blocks? Are you using the Darton sleeves that have a flange diameter larger than the bore spacing? Do they have sealant grooves machined into the lower section of the sleeve? Is there a shelf cut into the deck of the block to allow the flange to seat and prevent the sleeve from dropping?
Are the blocks vibratory stress relieved before and after machining?
Its still in my opinion a tough block to beat for the money. This was a year ago.....why?
04-22-2015, 02:20 PM
#29
Melting Slicks
I know in the early days of block sleeving there were many issues. Fortunately a few talented individuals have come up with engineered solutions and procedures to eliminate the original issues. I was just curious of the time frame to determine if there are any one off situations that still occur.
The business owners that strive for perfection can still have something unexpected occur from time to time. It's how you react to that situation and learn from it that makes a difference.
04-22-2015, 02:55 PM
#30
Superdeck
So our sleeving process has certainly evolved from the early days. Though throughout this process we have only had a very small number of issues with dropped sleeves. Our manufacturer warranty has covered these very small percentage of incidents.
The blocks are indeed stress relieved in between each machining process. We now use our own ductile iron sleeves that come from a US foundry (not overseas). They are T-flanged and further supported by our truss system. Some of the processes and details that we offer are proprietary to our Superdeck Process. We receive sleeve blanks and machine each for a perfect fit to your block. These are all in house operations with top of the line equipment which is why we are able to stand behind our product.
Our sponsored LS race cars are able to handle 1,800 to 2,800HP with our Superdeck System.
The blocks are indeed stress relieved in between each machining process. We now use our own ductile iron sleeves that come from a US foundry (not overseas). They are T-flanged and further supported by our truss system. Some of the processes and details that we offer are proprietary to our Superdeck Process. We receive sleeve blanks and machine each for a perfect fit to your block. These are all in house operations with top of the line equipment which is why we are able to stand behind our product.
Our sponsored LS race cars are able to handle 1,800 to 2,800HP with our Superdeck System.
If you only have these two options to choose from and are looking to make 1000rwhp with a blower, I would pick the ERL block. Why? You have to do some research and see what information is out there. My current research points to multiple block failures with the RHS block. Mostly the block cracks from stress, but the rotating assembly and everything else is intact. You aren't getting what you paid for in this scenario. ERL issues don't seem to be prevalent at this time. Is this due to lack of reports or that there aren't any issues?
Is there any reason why are you limiting yourself to these two options?
What sleeves were used (wet or dry) and who did the machining and sleeve installation? When was the last time (month and year) that you experienced a dropped sleeve with an ERL block?
Andres, what type of sleeves are you using in the ERL Superdeck blocks? Are you using the Darton sleeves that have a flange diameter larger than the bore spacing? Do they have sealant grooves machined into the lower section of the sleeve? Is there a shelf cut into the deck of the block to allow the flange to seat and prevent the sleeve from dropping?
Are the blocks vibratory stress relieved before and after machining?
Is there any reason why are you limiting yourself to these two options?
What sleeves were used (wet or dry) and who did the machining and sleeve installation? When was the last time (month and year) that you experienced a dropped sleeve with an ERL block?
Andres, what type of sleeves are you using in the ERL Superdeck blocks? Are you using the Darton sleeves that have a flange diameter larger than the bore spacing? Do they have sealant grooves machined into the lower section of the sleeve? Is there a shelf cut into the deck of the block to allow the flange to seat and prevent the sleeve from dropping?
Are the blocks vibratory stress relieved before and after machining?
04-22-2015, 03:34 PM
#31
I am not limiting myself to just these blocks. I'm open to different options. I would like to stay aluminum cause i read they're 180lbs lighter but if the price is right and another block will hold I may consider other options.
04-22-2015, 03:35 PM
#32
You have to do your homework really good before making the decision. This is the heart of your car and it will cost you a lot! If you face any issues, you will lose a lot of time and $$$. You should also care for vendor support and see based on different experiences, which one will not keep you stranded and stand behind their product if any issue comes up. These things happen.
Faisal
Faisal
Last edited by fe9_fe9; 04-23-2015 at 05:32 AM. Reason: quick edit
04-22-2015, 04:01 PM
#33
Melting Slicks
So our sleeving process has certainly evolved from the early days. Though throughout this process we have only had a very small number of issues with dropped sleeves. Our manufacturer warranty has covered these very small percentage of incidents.
The blocks are indeed stress relieved in between each machining process. We now use our own ductile iron sleeves that come from a US foundry (not overseas). They are T-flanged and further supported by our truss system. Some of the processes and details that we offer are proprietary to our Superdeck Process. We receive sleeve blanks and machine each for a perfect fit to your block. These are all in house operations with top of the line equipment which is why we are able to stand behind our product.
Our sponsored LS race cars are able to handle 1,800 to 2,800HP with our Superdeck System.
The blocks are indeed stress relieved in between each machining process. We now use our own ductile iron sleeves that come from a US foundry (not overseas). They are T-flanged and further supported by our truss system. Some of the processes and details that we offer are proprietary to our Superdeck Process. We receive sleeve blanks and machine each for a perfect fit to your block. These are all in house operations with top of the line equipment which is why we are able to stand behind our product.
Our sponsored LS race cars are able to handle 1,800 to 2,800HP with our Superdeck System.
I know some people think you can fall out of a tree these days and make 1000rwhp, but it's not without risks in a C5 or C6 platform. Choosing the right parts and companies to partner with is still recommended.
Last edited by Turbo-Geist; 04-22-2015 at 04:23 PM.
04-22-2015, 04:21 PM
#34
Im definitely leaning more towards ERL. I got a quote from them and they're currently out of my budget. I originally thought $8k would get me what I wanted but I was wrong lol. I have a couple Cars and some parts to sell.
04-22-2015, 04:28 PM
#35
Team Owner
If I had to do it again I would do ERL.
I did LSX because at the time I had no core, didn't want to find one, and for $1000 less after paying the core charge I figured I could use $1000 on weight reduction to make up the 100+lbs of the iron block. My mistake. I would gladly pay $1000 now to have the aluminum block.
I helped put together an ERL 434 twin turbo car that made 1450rwhp spinning on the dyno not even pushing it. Easy 1600+rwhp car if dyno would hold power.
I did LSX because at the time I had no core, didn't want to find one, and for $1000 less after paying the core charge I figured I could use $1000 on weight reduction to make up the 100+lbs of the iron block. My mistake. I would gladly pay $1000 now to have the aluminum block.
I helped put together an ERL 434 twin turbo car that made 1450rwhp spinning on the dyno not even pushing it. Easy 1600+rwhp car if dyno would hold power.
Last edited by Unreal; 04-22-2015 at 04:49 PM.
04-22-2015, 10:40 PM
#36
Loving my ERL superdeck so far. Have a few more things to finish up, and hopefully within the month it will be all finished up finally. Just n/a at the moment, but about to spray the house down.
04-23-2015, 08:40 PM
#37
If I had to do it again I would do ERL.
I did LSX because at the time I had no core, didn't want to find one, and for $1000 less after paying the core charge I figured I could use $1000 on weight reduction to make up the 100+lbs of the iron block. My mistake. I would gladly pay $1000 now to have the aluminum block.
I helped put together an ERL 434 twin turbo car that made 1450rwhp spinning on the dyno not even pushing it. Easy 1600+rwhp car if dyno would hold power.
I did LSX because at the time I had no core, didn't want to find one, and for $1000 less after paying the core charge I figured I could use $1000 on weight reduction to make up the 100+lbs of the iron block. My mistake. I would gladly pay $1000 now to have the aluminum block.
I helped put together an ERL 434 twin turbo car that made 1450rwhp spinning on the dyno not even pushing it. Easy 1600+rwhp car if dyno would hold power.
04-24-2015, 10:24 AM
#38
Supporting Vendor
If you buy a RHS block and it fails AND they decide to take care of you in any way, form or fashion, they will end up in a net-zero situation. That means they refuse to lose any money on the deal. You pay retail for the block, they might give you dealer cost back. Forget about your additional 5k for all the time in machine work, assembly, R&R of engines etc. You bear all of the financial burden in any case. You're not going to want another block if it fails. The risk of another failure is too high. Save your receipts! The warranty is 1 year, no more.
05-25-2015, 04:59 AM
#39
Yes, I had same problem just right now,new assembled, RHS BLOCK, 427 stroker kit, F1R supercharger, converted to dry sump on a C6 corvette only push 4x on dyno and start leaking coolant after full checking there's a crack on the left side of the block. Any Idea what we can do or claim to RHS?
05-25-2015, 08:24 AM
#40
I have an RHS block and faced one issue with that block leaking water from one of the external head bolt! we sealed it and it was totally fine now and done some 8 second passes and lot of dynos with 24# boost.
I have some friends who have cracked their RHS and wasted their many,,, I have read some terrible posts about the RHS block cracking at same spot with no support from RHS! I'm scared now with my block to go full power (1200whp+) so I'm staying at 24psi level.
Never heard bad things about ERL block(only one friend had an issue with it) but I always hear that the sales and wait time is too long with ERL.
If I will do my project again, talking about 1200hp+, I will choose L S X
I have some friends who have cracked their RHS and wasted their many,,, I have read some terrible posts about the RHS block cracking at same spot with no support from RHS! I'm scared now with my block to go full power (1200whp+) so I'm staying at 24psi level.
Never heard bad things about ERL block(only one friend had an issue with it) but I always hear that the sales and wait time is too long with ERL.
If I will do my project again, talking about 1200hp+, I will choose L S X