Thinking of supercharger or turbo
08-31-2015, 10:15 PM
#21
Drifting
I usually does all my mechanics, ill built my ZR1 and it was running flawlessly. Now im looking for something fun reliable and not too crazy regarding power level. Quick response on the streets is my main goal. UPP kit seems to sacrifice way too much stuff, the more i look at it.
09-01-2015, 12:13 PM
#24
Drifting
Turbos just end up being more of a pain in the ***, that's why I recommend going with an ecs kit. They also have great customer service, I've talked to those guys a few times on the phone about trannies and fuel systems.
09-01-2015, 03:17 PM
#25
Former Vendor
09-01-2015, 03:23 PM
#26
i don't know about ECS and "trannie" talk.....lol
but ECS or A&A kit is super easy, very reliable, cheaper and will make more than enough whp on a street car to roast your drag radials at over 100mph and go 9s. Turbos have a lot of advantages and honestly I like turbo cars more but if you're just looking for something fun, reliable and relatively simple you can do at home i don't see how you could beat an ECS kit for $5k with potential to make 750whp+
but ECS or A&A kit is super easy, very reliable, cheaper and will make more than enough whp on a street car to roast your drag radials at over 100mph and go 9s. Turbos have a lot of advantages and honestly I like turbo cars more but if you're just looking for something fun, reliable and relatively simple you can do at home i don't see how you could beat an ECS kit for $5k with potential to make 750whp+
09-01-2015, 03:27 PM
#27
Drifting
i don't know about ECS and "trannie" talk.....lol
but ECS or A&A kit is super easy, very reliable, cheaper and will make more than enough whp on a street car to roast your drag radials at over 100mph and go 9s. Turbos have a lot of advantages and honestly I like turbo cars more but if you're just looking for something fun, reliable and relatively simple you can do at home i don't see how you could beat an ECS kit for $5k with potential to make 750whp+
but ECS or A&A kit is super easy, very reliable, cheaper and will make more than enough whp on a street car to roast your drag radials at over 100mph and go 9s. Turbos have a lot of advantages and honestly I like turbo cars more but if you're just looking for something fun, reliable and relatively simple you can do at home i don't see how you could beat an ECS kit for $5k with potential to make 750whp+
#caitlynjenner
09-01-2015, 05:17 PM
#28
Lol
09-01-2015, 08:16 PM
#29
Give a call to A&A or ECS guys, they will put you on right track, I highly recommend to do upgrades to cooling system (in my opinion it is a must with FI setup on any vette living in medium/hot areas). Needs of camshaft/ heads/built internals/etc depending on your goal and desired HP level.
09-02-2015, 12:09 AM
#30
My car will remain a DAILY DRIVER. I'm actually in the midst of choosing between upgrading to a bigger ECS kit (2200R) or a turbo set up (UPP, APS, STS or custom). I like that turbos allow the car to behave N/A under 3,000 RPM and the revs are freer and climb easier and it's much easier to blip the throttle and catch the revs on their way down when driving a turbocharged car. I also like that turbos are more linear in power generation and are more efficient.
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
09-02-2015, 11:39 AM
#31
Former Vendor
My car will remain a DAILY DRIVER. I'm actually in the midst of choosing between upgrading to a bigger ECS kit (2200R) or a turbo set up (UPP, APS, STS or custom). I like that turbos allow the car to behave N/A under 3,000 RPM and the revs are freer and climb easier and it's much easier to blip the throttle and catch the revs on their way down when driving a turbocharged car. I also like that turbos are more linear in power generation and are more efficient.
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
With a proper design and proper installation, you should really have no issues. Even the very first original UPP-C5 is still on the road w/o issues, and that has now become a DD for a military gentleman down in GA (unless it's nice and he drives his turbo Hyabusa).
Yes, installation is generally more difficult than a centrifugal SC setup. But let's be honest, it if was easier, cheaper, and made more power, there would be zero market for the SC guys. There are trade-offs. But once it's installed there should be no more maintenance than there was before. And if it's built and installed properly, you shouldn't have rattles, or vibrations, etc.
09-02-2015, 11:40 AM
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My car will remain a DAILY DRIVER. I'm actually in the midst of choosing between upgrading to a bigger ECS kit (2200R) or a turbo set up (UPP, APS, STS or custom). I like that turbos allow the car to behave N/A under 3,000 RPM and the revs are freer and climb easier and it's much easier to blip the throttle and catch the revs on their way down when driving a turbocharged car. I also like that turbos are more linear in power generation and are more efficient.
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...turbo-kit.html
09-02-2015, 11:47 AM
#33
my blow off valve vents all the boost when not at full throttle so the motor and entire setup doesn't see boost under 99% of my driving. I think there is nothing more linear in power curve than a centri supercharger? boost is always in perfect relation to rpm so that's as linear as it gets.
i think your tuner has no idea what he's talking about with turbos though and vibration. i would not work with that guy. just go find a local shop that specializes in corvettes and LS motor cars and go with what they say.
my buddy has a stock ls3 though with nothing more than A&A kit and methanol and that car literally feels, drives and sounds 100% at all times until you put your fut down and then it makes >600whp on pump gas and could easily run a 10 second quarter mile.
turbos make more power and torque and have their advantages but I'd guess there are at least 10x more vettes out there with centri supercharger kits like ECS or A&A so they are just very refined, everyone knows how to work on them, all the problems and fitment are pretty worked out and they just work. If you're just looking for something simple to get you to 600whp i can't think of an easier way to do it than with an ECS or A&A kit
i think your tuner has no idea what he's talking about with turbos though and vibration. i would not work with that guy. just go find a local shop that specializes in corvettes and LS motor cars and go with what they say.
my buddy has a stock ls3 though with nothing more than A&A kit and methanol and that car literally feels, drives and sounds 100% at all times until you put your fut down and then it makes >600whp on pump gas and could easily run a 10 second quarter mile.
turbos make more power and torque and have their advantages but I'd guess there are at least 10x more vettes out there with centri supercharger kits like ECS or A&A so they are just very refined, everyone knows how to work on them, all the problems and fitment are pretty worked out and they just work. If you're just looking for something simple to get you to 600whp i can't think of an easier way to do it than with an ECS or A&A kit
My car will remain a DAILY DRIVER. I'm actually in the midst of choosing between upgrading to a bigger ECS kit (2200R) or a turbo set up (UPP, APS, STS or custom). I like that turbos allow the car to behave N/A under 3,000 RPM and the revs are freer and climb easier and it's much easier to blip the throttle and catch the revs on their way down when driving a turbocharged car. I also like that turbos are more linear in power generation and are more efficient.
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
However, my tuner told me that the car won't be as streetable as a supercharged car cuz the kits never really fit well. Every kit is slightly different each time it's made in the machine and things just don't fit as the kit manufacturer says it will. Things rub and the turbos vibrate and you feel it vibrating when driving and it's annoying, if the car isn't strictly a race car.
Now obviously car manufactured with turbos (Like a Porsche 911 Turbo) have turbos in mind when being designed, so no moving things around and compromising. The design allows for plumbing without having to deal with a hot cabin for top mounted turbos (or so I've been told by my tuner), or have problems with ground clearance for rear mounted turbos like the STS kit, or issues with bottom front mounted kits with the turbos vibrating cuz they're hanging from the manifolds and the manifolds eventually cracking due to it being made of brittle stainless steel instead of mild steel which flexes.
I hope to hear that there is someone out there with ANY turbo kit that doesn't have these issues and can be used as a daily driver that my wife can ride in with me. But the truth is always better than what I WANT to hear. Please speak up if anyone can help me out here...
Last edited by neverstop; 09-02-2015 at 11:49 AM.