C6 Forced Induction/Nitrous C6 Corvette Turbochargers, Superchargers, Pulley Upgrades, Intercoolers, Wet and Dry Nitrous Injection, Meth
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

what to do next after A&A kit?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-21-2017, 03:26 PM
  #1  
davered00ss
Pro
Thread Starter
 
davered00ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 622
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default what to do next after A&A kit?

I've had the A&A vortec kit for about a year now and have the mod bug again.

what next?
*Headers?
*Smaller Pulley & Meth kit?

I know I need to do gears, it has 2.56's with an Auto.

Already has widebody and z06 rims
Attached Images  
Old 03-21-2017, 03:33 PM
  #2  
Patriot Six
Drifting
 
Patriot Six's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2016
Location: Temecula, CA
Posts: 1,291
Received 219 Likes on 209 Posts
Default

Drag radials, if you don't already have them. After that, meth more boost, and headers.
Old 03-21-2017, 03:46 PM
  #3  
RPOWU8
Instructor
Support Corvetteforum!
 
RPOWU8's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: TN
Posts: 242
Received 27 Likes on 24 Posts

Default

Z06 exhaust works really well.

Pulley and meth.

2800-3000 stall Converter. 2.56 gear is fine.

DJ
Old 03-21-2017, 03:49 PM
  #4  
Unreal
Team Owner
 
Unreal's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Gilbert AZ
Posts: 24,035
Received 2,313 Likes on 1,793 Posts

Default

Stall and suspension
Old 03-21-2017, 05:07 PM
  #5  
bumpin96monte
Instructor
 
bumpin96monte's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2013
Posts: 173
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 16 Posts

Default

If you're looking for more power, id go with meth and a pulley swap. I picked up ~60 whp going from a 3.8" to a 3.6" and from 50/50 water/meth to straight meth along with a retune. Going to the straight meth allowed for a lot more timing as well as the 50/50 mix apparently wasn't nearly as effective on my setup.

Headers will certainly add power, but I can't imagine they'd add near what meth and a pulley could do, and you'd be coming from no injection at all to meth.


I do also find it odd that you're unhappy with the gears. On regular street tires, 1st was useless and I couldn't go WOT in 2nd at any speed without significant wheelspin. I can't imagine how bad it would be with a 3.xx rear. Certainly drag radials helped a ton, but i still wouldnt want 1st any steeper tham it already is. I'm a lot more unhappy with the converter as its so tight.

Last edited by bumpin96monte; 03-21-2017 at 05:08 PM.
Old 03-22-2017, 02:44 AM
  #6  
Mike's LS3
Safety Car
 
Mike's LS3's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Bay Area CA
Posts: 4,301
Received 733 Likes on 473 Posts

Default

1. Headers or Full Z06 exhaust if you live in CA.
2. Meth and pulley.
3. Sticky tires
4. Stall/converter

Last edited by Mike's LS3; 03-22-2017 at 02:45 AM.
Old 03-22-2017, 08:13 AM
  #7  
ESSFO
Racer
 
ESSFO's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Dayton Ohio
Posts: 280
Received 21 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Headers for sure. You can do a pulley swap/meth and maybe a cam. I'm kinda where you are but I'm going the E85 route instead of meth.
Old 03-22-2017, 09:33 AM
  #8  
davered00ss
Pro
Thread Starter
 
davered00ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 622
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bumpin96monte
If you're looking for more power, id go with meth and a pulley swap. I picked up ~60 whp going from a 3.8" to a 3.6" and from 50/50 water/meth to straight meth along with a retune. Going to the straight meth allowed for a lot more timing as well as the 50/50 mix apparently wasn't nearly as effective on my setup.

Headers will certainly add power, but I can't imagine they'd add near what meth and a pulley could do, and you'd be coming from no injection at all to meth.


I do also find it odd that you're unhappy with the gears. On regular street tires, 1st was useless and I couldn't go WOT in 2nd at any speed without significant wheelspin. I can't imagine how bad it would be with a 3.xx rear. Certainly drag radials helped a ton, but i still wouldnt want 1st any steeper tham it already is. I'm a lot more unhappy with the converter as its so tight.

I'm looking at best bang for the buck. Seems like headers will only yield ~20/30rwhp and cost roughly $2K.

Not sure what cost on pulley swap and Meth would be, but seems to have more gains.

As for Gears, my tuner told me I needed them. He said I was not seeing peak #'s because of them and my car ran the Dyno to 188mph in 4th. I also thought they would give a little more umph around town driving.

Tires are currently Bridgestone Protenza's 325/19"s on stock Z06 rims.
Old 03-22-2017, 09:57 AM
  #9  
bumpin96monte
Instructor
 
bumpin96monte's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2013
Posts: 173
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 16 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by davered00ss
I'm looking at best bang for the buck. Seems like headers will only yield ~20/30rwhp and cost roughly $2K.

Not sure what cost on pulley swap and Meth would be, but seems to have more gains.
Obviously the cost varies widely depending what you buy.

For meth, a new kit is about $600, then a pulley and belt adds about $150, plus adjustments to your tune. Certainly you could save money buying used (especially the pulley) and you can recoup some money selling your old pulley and belt.

Headers can be done for close to that ballpark. I think I paid like $650 for obx headers plus front O2 extensions. Ideally you'll need a tune touch up too. Certainly it's easy to get a couple grand wrapped up in brand new name brand headers though. Even if the prices were the same, bang for the buck still goes to meth & pulley as it'll make more power.

As for Gears, my tuner told me I needed them. He said I was not seeing peak #'s because of them and my car ran the Dyno to 188mph in 4th. I also thought they would give a little more umph around town driving.

Tires are currently Bridgestone Protenza's 325/19"s on stock Z06 rims.
Do you really feel your car needs more umph around town? I'd definitely wait until after your next engine mods to see how you feel then. With meth and a pulley, I think you could very well start running into notable traction issues around town on street tires.

Last edited by bumpin96monte; 03-22-2017 at 09:58 AM.
Old 03-22-2017, 10:03 AM
  #10  
davered00ss
Pro
Thread Starter
 
davered00ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 622
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

I was looking at Kooks 1 7/8's with catted X-pipe keeping stock cat back for about $1,900, then add extended O2's. I can install myself in garage. Not sure about retune?

I haven't checked into other brands. I had Kooks on my 00 Camaro SS and loved them. fit was awesome.
Old 03-22-2017, 10:30 AM
  #11  
ESSFO
Racer
 
ESSFO's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Dayton Ohio
Posts: 280
Received 21 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

If you had the fuel system to support it I would recommend E85 over meth but you'll easily wrap up $1500 to support it.
Old 03-22-2017, 10:52 AM
  #12  
davered00ss
Pro
Thread Starter
 
davered00ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 622
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

E85 is not really popular in the northeast. I wouldn't even know where to get it.

another thought is headers and a smaller pulley. With the headers reducing backpressure, a smaller pulley will probably yield the same lbs of boost? Possibly not requiring a retune?

I will definitely talk with my tuner before changing the pulley though.
Old 03-22-2017, 12:33 PM
  #13  
bumpin96monte
Instructor
 
bumpin96monte's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2013
Posts: 173
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 16 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by davered00ss
I was looking at Kooks 1 7/8's with catted X-pipe keeping stock cat back for about $1,900, then add extended O2's. I can install myself in garage. Not sure about retune?
Didn't realize you were going to run cats. Seems like not many boosted c6s do when going to headers, so I assumed youd at least have to get the codes turned off in the pcm if nothing else to avoid a CEL. I guess you may still have to even with high flow cats. On other platforms I've dealt with it seemed to be hit or miss as to if they'd trigger a light or not.

another thought is headers and a smaller pulley.
Honestly, if the goal is a smaller pulley, meth would be far more beneficial. Same from a bang for the buck point of view, especially if you're pretty set on buying new Kooks. Even buying all new, it's only about 1/2 the price for meth + pulley/belt + retune.

Last edited by bumpin96monte; 03-22-2017 at 12:34 PM.
Old 03-22-2017, 01:13 PM
  #14  
Unreal
Team Owner
 
Unreal's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Gilbert AZ
Posts: 24,035
Received 2,313 Likes on 1,793 Posts

Default

Skip headers and do a stall. Hands down the best mod for an auto car.
Old 03-22-2017, 01:21 PM
  #15  
davered00ss
Pro
Thread Starter
 
davered00ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 622
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bumpin96monte
Didn't realize you were going to run cats. Seems like not many boosted c6s do when going to headers, so I assumed youd at least have to get the codes turned off in the pcm if nothing else to avoid a CEL. I guess you may still have to even with high flow cats. On other platforms I've dealt with it seemed to be hit or miss as to if they'd trigger a light or not.



Honestly, if the goal is a smaller pulley, meth would be far more beneficial. Same from a bang for the buck point of view, especially if you're pretty set on buying new Kooks. Even buying all new, it's only about 1/2 the price for meth + pulley/belt + retune.
My state does a visual inspection for cats when we go through emissions. I think it is every other year.

I have never liked the drivability of cars I drove with higher stall converters.
\
Old 03-22-2017, 01:26 PM
  #16  
Unreal
Team Owner
 
Unreal's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Gilbert AZ
Posts: 24,035
Received 2,313 Likes on 1,793 Posts

Default

What are you comparing it too? My mustang has a 4000rpm stall, and wife never noticed. Any modern car has electronic lock up, including yours. So you only feel the effect of the stall at WOT and getting on it from the line. Other than that drives like stock. Without an electronic lock up, they can suck but that is a complete non-issue on any modern car.
Old 03-22-2017, 02:08 PM
  #17  
davered00ss
Pro
Thread Starter
 
davered00ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2015
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 622
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

last stalled auto I drove was a 98 Camaro with a 550rwhp ls2 and a high stall.

Get notified of new replies

To what to do next after A&A kit?

Old 05-23-2017, 09:11 PM
  #18  
LSX228R
Pro
 
LSX228R's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2014
Posts: 546
Received 88 Likes on 67 Posts
Default

Any updates?
Old 05-23-2017, 10:37 PM
  #19  
Dirteater19
Instructor
 
Dirteater19's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2014
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 122
Received 14 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

You don't need gears. At least you won't once you add a little HP. I used to think my gears were tall, not anymore.

I know a lot of people like meth, and I understand why, but I don't want another thing to refill constantly and worry about not spraying when I need it to the most.

A mild to moderate cam and opening up your stock exhaust will do wonders to help your engine to breath and free it up.

For me, going from just an A&A kit which was relatively tame, to adding an LS9 cam, kooks headers and Flowmaster exhaust really woke up the car and I'm almost afraid of it now. She really feels like she's holding nothing back when I step on the gas no matter what rpm, gear, or throttle position.

I just told the tuner that keeping it safe was my number one goal and not hp. She never knocked or pulled timing in Vegas 110 degree heat.
Old 05-24-2017, 06:15 AM
  #20  
Unreal
Team Owner
 
Unreal's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2007
Location: Gilbert AZ
Posts: 24,035
Received 2,313 Likes on 1,793 Posts

Default

Because it isn't something to worry about constantly refill or worry about not spraying. Its a great performance upgrade, and octane is needed to make power.


Quick Reply: what to do next after A&A kit?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:10 PM.