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Old 11-09-2011, 06:15 AM
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I tried searching could find much? Was wondering are there any street radial to use with GTO spares up front or do I just have to make this a drag setup only. Whats safe and what is not? How would street radials react to MT ET Street in the back as far as stability of the car or vise versa. Just looking for who else has done this setup.
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You can run an M&H 185/55/17 radial that isn't bias ply and is much better for street use and can be driven in the wet without kililng you
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Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
You can run an M&H 185/55/17 radial that isn't bias ply and is much better for street use and can be driven in the wet without kililng you


I've seen a few people using the Hoosier skinny radials as well:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HOO-19055/?rtype=10
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I just run the temp tires...probably have 500 miles on them up and back to the track so far.

Your results may vary but I've been fine.

Just remember you have them on when you go around turns...they don't handle like your stock tires, not at all. You'll feel them pushing around turns you normally don't even think about (like exit ramps).
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I just run the temp tires...probably have 500 miles on them up and back to the track so far.

Your results may vary but I've been fine.
I've seen others using them as well, even trapping 125+ with them on occasion too.
One of the main issues with that approach is that some of the tracks have become aware that people use these things for track duty and I've seen tech inspectors actually check the tires to make sure people are running true race (and/or DOT approved) tires on their spare rims.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I've seen others using them as well, even trapping 125+ with them on occasion too.
One of the main issues with that approach is that some of the tracks have become aware that people use these things for track duty and I've seen tech inspectors actually check the tires to make sure people are running true race (and/or DOT approved) tires on their spare rims.
Yes that's something to keep in mind. Frankly, just like the law is what any given judge says it is on any given day, tech is what any given tech inspector says it is on any given day. There is a rule book. Its interpretation is up to the inspector at hand.

My only advice on that is, what my grandma told me, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. It amazes me how many people seemed to not get that lesson as children.

While they are certainly DOT approved for on highway use (obviously if you think about it, a DOT rating has to be better than a "off-highway use only" rating (like my lawnmower's or my bias ply non-dot tires I used to have say) they are shown as "temp use only". I looked, mine do not have a speed rating.

Now I'd say 1/4 at at a time is certainly temporary use!

Since I've read that the failure of tires is due to heat buildup, which is a function of time at speed, I would never use these for the Miami Mile runs.
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Yes that's something to keep in mind. Frankly, just like the law is what any given judge says it is on any given day, tech is what any given tech inspector says it is on any given day. There is a rule book. Its interpretation is up to the inspector at hand.

My only advice on that is, what my grandma told me, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. It amazes me how many people seemed to not get that lesson as children.

While they are certainly DOT approved for on highway use (obviously if you think about it, a DOT rating has to be better than a "off-highway use only" rating (like my lawnmower's or my bias ply non-dot tires I used to have say) they are shown as "temp use only". I looked, mine do not have a speed rating.

Now I'd say 1/4 at at a time is certainly temporary use!

Since I've read that the failure of tires is due to heat buildup, which is a function of time at speed, I would never use these for the Miami Mile runs.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
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I've noticed we often do.

Must be the accountant in us!
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Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
You can run an M&H 185/55/17 radial that isn't bias ply and is much better for street use and can be driven in the wet without kililng you
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1


I've seen a few people using the Hoosier skinny radials as well:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HOO-19055/?rtype=10
When mine wear out these are what I plan to buy.
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Thanks Guys great info.

I am actually painting my wagon wheels black now to get ready for the gto spares.

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Originally Posted by Joe_G
I just run the temp tires...probably have 500 miles on them up and back to the track so far.

Your results may vary but I've been fine.
I have no doubt they'll be fine for short bursts, but I don't think I'd be comfortable driving them at 75mph to/from the track....

....and they look absolutely ridiculous on the car due to their height, or lack of it.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I've seen others using them as well, even trapping 125+ with them on occasion too.
One of the main issues with that approach is that some of the tracks have become aware that people use these things for track duty and I've seen tech inspectors actually check the tires to make sure people are running true race (and/or DOT approved) tires on their spare rims.
Well as far as im concerned, I wouldnt trust those spares on my 60k car. But thats me. If you can afford a vette you can afford a set of CCWs or Bogarts etc. what would you rather pay for wheels? or a new vette? Because if you crash at the track your beat, your Insurance wont pay to replace your car. So its something to definately think about. Just because your car is fine and has been fine doesnt mean it will continue to be fine.
Years ago at the age of 18 I had a front tire blow out on me at over 100mph its no picnic. you could hear my butt slam shut from the bleachers. I managed to stay calm and get the car under control. I promise once something like that happens to you youll def change your opinion on the matter.
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Well as far as im concerned, I wouldnt trust those spares on my 60k car. But thats me. If you can afford a vette you can afford a set of CCWs or Bogarts etc.
There's no issue in running the GTO spare.

I've actually seen and heard about more issues with Bogarts than the GTO spares (which I've heard not a single issue with).

If you want to spend money just because you think you have an expensive car, be my guest, but there's no reason not to trust the spare.
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Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
You can run an M&H 185/55/17 radial that isn't bias ply and is much better for street use and can be driven in the wet without kililng you
Just to be clear is this the one you are talking about?


http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?...on=show_detail
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I use the gto spare tires also. About 1500 miles on them without issue.
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Originally Posted by Joe_G
Yes that's something to keep in mind. Frankly, just like the law is what any given judge says it is on any given day, tech is what any given tech inspector says it is on any given day. There is a rule book. Its interpretation is up to the inspector at hand.
My only advice on that is, what my grandma told me, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. It amazes me how many people seemed to not get that lesson as children.

While they are certainly DOT approved for on highway use (obviously if you think about it, a DOT rating has to be better than a "off-highway use only" rating (like my lawnmower's or my bias ply non-dot tires I used to have say) they are shown as "temp use only". I looked, mine do not have a speed rating.

Now I'd say 1/4 at at a time is certainly temporary use!

Since I've read that the failure of tires is due to heat buildup, which is a function of time at speed, I would never use these for the Miami Mile runs.
That rule book clearly states no temporary tires. It also states that metal valve stems are required on cars quicker than 11.99. Nearly all the rules are there to provide a higher degree of safety. Enforcement is an entirely different issue.

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I've heard Firebird in Phoenix is cracking down on the metal valve stem deal.
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Originally Posted by Joe_G
I've noticed we often do.

Must be the accountant in us!





Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
There's no issue in running the GTO spare.

I've actually seen and heard about more issues with Bogarts than the GTO spares (which I've heard not a single issue with).
But he probably does have a point when it comes to the tires, the actual spare wheels themselves, as funky as they may look on some cars, are pretty damn safe/strong though. And they'd obviously have to be to be able to handle a 3800/3900 pound (with driver) vehicle such as a GTO, on a much lighter Corvette their strength would be almost overkill.





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Just to be clear is this the one you are talking about?

http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?...on=show_detail
No, those are bias ply and a little less 'street friendly'...these are the ones he was referring to:
http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?...on=show_detail
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1





But he probably does have a point when it comes to the tires, the actual spare wheels themselves, as funky as they may look on some cars, are pretty damn safe/strong though. And they'd obviously have to be to be able to handle a 3800/3900 pound (with driver) vehicle such as a GTO, on a much lighter Corvette their strength would be almost overkill.





No, those are bias ply and a little less 'street friendly'...these are the ones he was referring to:
http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?...on=show_detail
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