GentleBen

Just swapped wheels and tires. Installed new TPMS sensors but the car will not learn the new sensors using either a Bartec 300 Plus or ATEQ VT30 reset tool.

No codes are showing on the DIC and my Tech II reveals no codes. Even disconnected the battery to ensure that the car had no codes. TPMS system now reads "0" pressure on all four wheels and I cannot get it to reset. I placed the car in Accessory mode, hit the Lock and Unlock buttons on the FOB simultaneously and got the single horn beep indicating that the car was in learn mode. However, regardless of which TPMS tool is used, the car does not beep when each wheel sensor is triggered nor does it give a double beep at the conclusion of the LR wheel.

The ATEQ and the Bartec both agree on the sensor numbers per wheel but I cannot find a device that will tell me if these are the correct sensors without dismounting a wheel to see what number is stamped on the plastic casing.

Sensor numbers are:

LF: 3329391
RF: 3329166
RR: 3329300
LR: 3329278

Do they look like the correct number sequence for the 2011 sensors (part number 15268606)? For instance, one of the wheels that I took off has a sensor number of 7391176.

If so, what else can I check?

RicK T

Have you driven the car since the new sensors were installed? It takes a few minutes for them to wake up.

That part number, 15268606, is the correct number for 2010's. The sensors are green and they can be triggered EITHER with a tool OR by changing pressure in the tire by 10 psi, up or down.

Double check that you have in fact managed to get the car into the "learn" mode.

Let us know. And I'm sure BEZ06 will chime in soon when he sees your post.

BEZ06

Hi Rick....here I am!

Ben, you say you swapped wheels - what kind of wheels are your new ones?

Did you see the new sensors before they were mounted up - are you sure they are either the green or black sensors needed in your 2011?

If they're some fancy exotic wheels that for cosmetic purposes require the sensors to be mounted deep inside the wheel, it can often be very difficult to trigger the sensors. If the sensors are banded deep in the wheel, you may not know where they are. You need to get the antenna of the tool within a couple inches of the sensor in order to trigger it, and if you don't know EXACTLY where it is then you can have problems triggering the sensors during the relearn procedure. If you have the green 15268606 sensors, just try the change in air pressure method of triggering them. If you have the black 20925924 sensors, they require a TPMS tool.

If your new wheels mount the sensors in the way they're mounted in stock wheels, then you may have the wrong sensors.

However, the strength of the signal transmitted by a TPMS tool is VERY dependent on the strength of its batteries. If the batteries in the tool are weak, so is the signal. If you try the procedure again, make sure the TPMS tool has fresh/strong batteries.

Also, after putting the car into the learn mode, you have one minute to trigger the left front sensor or the learn mode times out and you won't be able to do the procedure until you reactive te the learn mode.

I've got a bunch of used sensors - 13 of the green 15268606 sensors for a 2010-2013, and 8 sensors for a 2005-2009.

Each sensor has a unique ID# that it transmits to the TPMS, and the ID# is on a barcode strip stuck on the sensor. The barcode is missing on one of the sensors, but of course I can read it with my OTC 3833 TPMS tool.

All of the sensors I have for all model years of the C6 are randomly distributed on both sides of the #'s you listed, with some of the #'s for the early sensors higher numerically than some of the later ones - and vice versa.

So....I don't think you can tell anything from the ID#'s as to whether you have the correct sensors or not.

When using my OTC 3833 TPMS tool, there is a mode where the tool can hunt for the correct protocol to trigger the sensor, and when it does trigger the sensor it will show info on the screen about that sensor (ID#, pressure, temp of a green or black sensor, condition of the sensor's battery, frequency the sensor transmitted on), but it doesn't show what vehicle the sensor is for. The green sensors in a C6 are also used in a number of other GM vehicles.

However, if I go through the tool's menu, set it up to work with a 2005-2009 C6 sensor, then attempt to trigger a green or black sensor used in a 2010-2013 C6, the tool will display "No sensor detected".

So....I could sort of do a back door analysis to determine if the correct sensors are in the car - if I set it up for 2010-2013 sensors and it says "No sensor detected" then I'd assume you have the wrong sensors installed - or they are in some location in the wheel where the tool's signal isn't able to trigger them.

I'm not sure whether the Bartec 300+ or ATEQ VT30 work like that or not.

Hope that gives you some things to check out when trying to solve the problem.

Bob


Here are the two sensors that are required in a 2010-2013 C6. If you have gray sensors then you have the sensors for a 2005-2009. The sensor ID#'s are really not significant at all. The GM part# is molded into the case and is the important thing that needs to match up with your model year:

GentleBen

Thanks for the responses, gentlemen. Unfortunately, my parts supplier, thinking that they were for my '05 Lingenfelter, sent me the gray TPMS sensors. Since I had not performed my due diligence in ensuring that they were the correct ones by color prior to installation, I can't fault my supplier or the tire installer.

It appears that I will have to have the tire shop break down the Forgeline rims, remove the green sensors from them, take the HRE wheels off the '11 Callaway, remove the gray sensors currently installed, and install the green ones.

An the ID numbers are significant in that the Government mandates that they all be numbered and the four listed in my OP fall within the range of the original gray sensors while the last number (7391176) is from a green sensor.

What a great way to spend the morning!

BEZ06

Aw Keerap - what a PITA!!

Well - at least you know the cause of your problem.

If you want a separate set of green sensors, I have a couple sets of used ones available. They're all checked out with my TPMS tool to be in perfect condition. You can see in the first picture below how the tool shows the transmission strength of the sensor by completely filling in the triangle at the top left of the tool's screen, and the condition of the battery in the list of info transmitted by the sensor. The second picture was taken a 15 or so seconds after the sensor was triggered and it's no longer transmitting, so the tool is not receiving a signal from the sensor and the triangle is not dark.

If you would like a set of 4 green sensors, $80 shipped to your door.

The green sensors can be triggered by changing air pressure in tire, so no need for a TPMS tool to program them into the TPMS computer in your car.


I don't think there is any "range" of sensor ID #'s that will identify them as to what GM part# they are.

I just got out my box full of sensors and here are some ID#'s.

Green sensors:
00314264
01010564
02113595
01004836
02968552
07127702
02469417
07102051
07001624
02116419
00314673
01004825
01010581

And some gray ones:
02384294
02403825
04003825
04002061
02384294
04006980
04054913

So....the #'s look totally random to me, and you can see that both some green and some gray sensors have very similar #'s (both have some 024xxxx #'s).

I suppose Schrader (the manufacturer of the OE sensors) may have some master list of sensor ID#'s as to what model of sensor got what ID#, but AFAIK there's no good way to identify the model of sensor by its ID#.

One good way to tell the difference between a 2005-2009 sensor and a 2010-2013 one is the data transmitted by it.

The gray 2005-2009 sensor does not transmit a temperature value - you can see the "----" after the Temp because there's no temp info in the data stream transmitted by the sensor:




However, here's a picture of my OTC 3833 screen after doing a check of a sensor in a GS that was in the garage bay next to me at the NCM Sebring track event 2 weeks ago:




You can see that the 2010-2013 sensor (either the green or the black one - they both transmit the exact same data stream of info) shows a display of " Temp 185F" on the tool's screen. This was shortly after he finished a 25 minute track session, so the temp and pressure are up.

So....there are a couple of back door ways to give you clues about what sensor is in a wheel, but I don't know of any list of sensor ID#'s associated with the various models of sensors.

Bob

RicK T

Hey guys, just for clarity.......we haven't actually established that Ben's '11 Callaway came with the '10 - '11 1/2 Green sensors OR the newer, '11 1/2, Black sensors.

So just in case Ben sees Black ones, he should know why.

Is that accurate Bob?

BEZ06

Yes, Rick - that's correct.

I think he was running Forgelines on the car with no problem - and those are the wheels that Ben says he will take them "to have the tire shop break down the Forgeline rims, remove the green sensors from them...". His new HRE's apparently came with the gray sensors for an older model year C6.

However, unless Ben knows for sure that the sensors in the Forgelines are green, they could very well be the current black ones that replaced the green ones in cars coming off the assembly line in Jan 2011.

So, Ben - like Rick says, don't be surprised if the sensors in your Forgelines are black.

As I said in my earlier post, I've got some green ones available if you'd rather not mess with the Forgelines. With a new set of sensors you could just leave those wheels/tires/sensors alone, and you'd only have to remove/replace the sensors in your new HRE wheels.

If you're going to keep the Forgelines, if you leave the current sensors in them you could swap wheels any time you feel like a change.

If you're going to sell the wheels, if somebody with a 2010-2013 buys them then they have the correct sensors installed.

If somebody with a 2005-2009 Z06 or wide body buys them, then you'd have the gray sensors you could swap in for them.

Bob

GentleBen

Okay, the stock chrome wheels that came with the Callaway I assume came with the black sensors - I took them off the car within the first month and stacked them in a corner of the garage. The Forgeline SO3P rims came off the Lingenfelter and were replaced on it by some Fiske Profil 5 wheels that I had won during CI XI and they had the green sensors.

The HRE wheels had gray sensors because (a) my supplier thought I was ordering for the '05 Lingenfelter and (b) because I did not check to see what had been shipped. It was only after the HRE wheels were mounted that I could not get them to trigger the car.

It was a long period this morning at my tire shop when I had to use my 4Runner to deliver the Forgelines to have the sensors dismounted, while I drove back home to get the Callaway. Then the tire guy had to dismount the HREs, remove the gray sensors, install the green ones, remount/rebalance the HRE rims and re-install on the Callaway. I drove it home, once again got the 4Runner to reload the remounted Forgelines and take them home - only after paying a significant amount for the labor!

The lesson to be learned here is to ensure that you know what parts you need and that you make sure that they are what are installed on your Corvette.

Bluewasp

all good now?

Bluewasp

Give everyone an idea what you are talking about!

GentleBen

Those pictures show the car with the new HRE rims with the wrong sensors installed. The car next to it is Rob's Cyber Gray 2013 427 with all the bells and whistles.

And yes, Alles ist in Ordnung!

Bluewasp

Mine is faster!

GentleBen

I don't believe that that has been conclusively proven as yet.