Torqued axle nuts to 120 ft lbs now it clunks
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Torqued axle nuts to 120 ft lbs now it clunks
Decided to check the torque on my rear axle nuts today 08 Z with 17000 miles. Just removed the wheel center cap, torqued both sides to 120 ft lbs .Now when I first take off I get a clunk. When I back up, I get a clunk when I first let out the clutch, just like taking off. Definitly coming from the rear of the car in the axle area? . Both sides took maybe a 1/8 turn, definitely less than a 1/4 turn. Any ideas anyone??
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I had the clunking or scratching sound issue when driving in tight circle in either direction. I replaced my axle nuts and I want to say torque was 160. When taking off the old nuts one side was very easy to remove and that is the only side that still makes noise. But after driving in a circle a number of times it goes away. Now I'm thinking clutches plates I switched to red line this past year and it says it has the extra friction additive. I may go back to the GM brand.
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I had the clunking or scratching sound issue when driving in tight circle in either direction. I replaced my axle nuts and I want to say torque was 160. When taking off the old nuts one side was very easy to remove and that is the only side that still makes noise. But after driving in a circle a number of times it goes away. Now I'm thinking clutches plates I switched to red line this past year and it says it has the extra friction additive. I may go back to the GM brand.
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=41&pcid=4
I have put Red Line in many Corvettes since 2006. Just so that I give full disclosure, I retired last year, and I went to work them earlier this year.
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Decided to check the torque on my rear axle nuts today 08 Z with 17000 miles. Just removed the wheel center cap, torqued both sides to 120 ft lbs .Now when I first take off I get a clunk. When I back up, I get a clunk when I first let out the clutch, just like taking off. Definitly coming from the rear of the car in the axle area? . Both sides took maybe a 1/8 turn, definitely less than a 1/4 turn. Any ideas anyone??
The ft lbs. recommendation had been bounced around so much I cannot remember the correct lbs, be it 140 or 160. I am pretty sure it isn't 120.
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If you think it is clutch noise,just add a little of this.
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=41&pcid=4
I have put Red Line in many Corvettes since 2006. Just so that I give full disclosure, I retired last year, and I went to work them earlier this year.
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=41&pcid=4
I have put Red Line in many Corvettes since 2006. Just so that I give full disclosure, I retired last year, and I went to work them earlier this year.
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
#8
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The axle nuts cannot be reused/tightened. They are a one time tighten item. Get new nuts and use loctite and wait 24 hrs to cure.
The ft lbs. recommendation had been bounced around so much I cannot remember the correct lbs, be it 140 or 160. I am pretty sure it isn't 120.
The ft lbs. recommendation had been bounced around so much I cannot remember the correct lbs, be it 140 or 160. I am pretty sure it isn't 120.
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Yes I remember I have talked to you in the past. So you think I should add this after what I put in says this on the label: Contains additional friction modifiers for suitability with clutch-type limited slip differentials - for most LSDs, no additional friction modifiers are required
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
#10
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No I had the clunking before the axle nut replacement while driving in circles. Then had the scratching sounds on one side, but goes away after several circle turns.
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Yes I remember I have talked to you in the past. So you think I should add this after what I put in says this on the label: Contains additional friction modifiers for suitability with clutch-type limited slip differentials - for most LSDs, no additional friction modifiers are required
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
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Yes I remember I have talked to you in the past. So you think I should add this after what I put in says this on the label: Contains additional friction modifiers for suitability with clutch-type limited slip differentials - for most LSDs, no additional friction modifiers are required
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
But I'm willing to add it but is more better? is this something you have came across with your experience
Have you checked to make sure the sway bar links or some other part of the suspension isn't causing the noise.
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It will work if that is the issue. To be frank, I think something else is wrong. Chatter is what normally happens when you need more friction modifier, not clunking. Friction modifier is cheap. http://www.jegs.com/p/Red-Line-Oil/R...15741/10002/-1
Have you checked to make sure the sway bar links or some other part of the suspension isn't causing the noise.
Have you checked to make sure the sway bar links or some other part of the suspension isn't causing the noise.
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Huge fan of Redline fluids, but when it comes to the C-6 diff, GM tested a lot of brands/types of fluids until is came up with one out of the bottle that did not make the diff clutches to cause noise. Pretty sure that it just a re-branded Pennzoil, but any who, its Dextron LS Gear Oil 75W-90, part #88862624.
As for the additive trick, it works, but is also on the same lines as trying to adjust over-all clutch lock up slip with it as well.
As for the additive trick, it works, but is also on the same lines as trying to adjust over-all clutch lock up slip with it as well.
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Buy a new pair of axle nuts from your dealer, they are about 3 bucks each if I remember right, get a tube of red locktite, and replace them properly by torqueing to the right value and letting them sit overnight. Mark them after you are done with a paint stripe so you can inspect them in the future to see if they have moved. The old nuts can't be re-torqued and should be discarded. The TSB for replacing the nuts is posted in another axle nut thread here, do a quick search.
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I agree with some of the above that you may have stressed the trans or diff.
I would definately redo the nuts since this is the only change. You might have to remove the wheels to get any rust or locktite off the threads in order to get a correct torque reading. Maybe do 1 at a time, then check for the noise. That way you can isolate which side is making the noise, if it is at a wheel.
I made sure that my trans was in neutral and the em brake was on when I did mine.
After redoing the nuts, I would try the figure 8's a few times, the try the fluid change. I used the current GM fluid. Try to get it up to temp.
If this doesn't help, you may have a mechanical problem.
I would definately redo the nuts since this is the only change. You might have to remove the wheels to get any rust or locktite off the threads in order to get a correct torque reading. Maybe do 1 at a time, then check for the noise. That way you can isolate which side is making the noise, if it is at a wheel.
I made sure that my trans was in neutral and the em brake was on when I did mine.
After redoing the nuts, I would try the figure 8's a few times, the try the fluid change. I used the current GM fluid. Try to get it up to temp.
If this doesn't help, you may have a mechanical problem.
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it will work if that is the issue. To be frank, i think something else is wrong. Chatter is what normally happens when you need more friction modifier, not clunking. Friction modifier is cheap. http://www.jegs.com/p/red-line-oil/r...15741/10002/-1
have you checked to make sure the sway bar links or some other part of the suspension isn't causing the noise.
have you checked to make sure the sway bar links or some other part of the suspension isn't causing the noise.
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End links can make noise but usually more present over bumps.
The noise when taking off sounds like the axle nuts click.
The diff chatter is a different sound, more grinding.
Maybe have a local corvette mechanic take a listen.
To my best knowledge these are usually corrected with the normal mentioned steps. Not something that needs screwing with to get corrected.
The noise when taking off sounds like the axle nuts click.
The diff chatter is a different sound, more grinding.
Maybe have a local corvette mechanic take a listen.
To my best knowledge these are usually corrected with the normal mentioned steps. Not something that needs screwing with to get corrected.
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Buy a new pair of axle nuts from your dealer, they are about 3 bucks each if I remember right, get a tube of red locktite, and replace them properly by torqueing to the right value and letting them sit overnight. Mark them after you are done with a paint stripe so you can inspect them in the future to see if they have moved. The old nuts can't be re-torqued and should be discarded. The TSB for replacing the nuts is posted in another axle nut thread here, do a quick search.
There are several different grades of red, I don't know if it would make a difference but took the trouble to get (order) the correct stuff.
Dealer did the bulletin on my car a long time ago, eventually the nuts got lose again. I didn't want to keep doing this over and over, so I carefully cleaned the old Loctite, used new nuts, and didn't move the car for 24 hrs. So far, so good.
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Unless you installed new axle nuts, this is not true. They were torqued at the factory and are not to be tightened again. They have now been torqued twice. Also, 120/# is not the correct torque for the stock nut or the new nut.
You need new axle nuts and make sure to torque them to the specified setting for the new nuts (it is either 140 or 160, check the TSB).
As others have noted, mark them with a line after you install the new nuts so you can see if they move. If they move, you need new nuts again. They cannot be tightened twice
You need new axle nuts and make sure to torque them to the specified setting for the new nuts (it is either 140 or 160, check the TSB).
As others have noted, mark them with a line after you install the new nuts so you can see if they move. If they move, you need new nuts again. They cannot be tightened twice