GhostC6

I was not sure what to name this thread without sounding silly so I went with this. Now on to my questions.

I have a C6 Corvette and I have never done a burn out, rolling burn out or doughnuts in the car. The thought has occurred to me but I have not given in yet, even when at a friends personal property and in designated areas.

So my question is, can someone give me some tips and pointers for doing these. I think the first thing will be to turn traction control off, since I was in a little bit of loose gravel yesterday and thought I would pull out aggressively and the traction control would not let me, it launched great but no impressive wheel spin.

I know, both of these things are not something I will do a lot, I may never do them, but, I would like to know how or have some tips if I do.

Thanks guys and gals, any tips are appreciated, and again, I still may never do it..lol

Dano523

Before you decide to wrap a C6 around a tree, light pole, someone else car, you need to get a feel for a car settled and unsettled, in in a car or Kart that if you wreck it, not going to be thousands of dollars min to repair it.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ceagw_street-races-c5-corvette-vs-c6-corvette-street-race-crash_auto
Next is wheel hop when the tires are spinning, hence wheel hop is the fastest way to destroy a drive line in a micro second.

Really, if you have to ask how to spin the tires on a car, then you not ready to spin the tires on a vet. With the anti-roll suspension and LSD, when the the back tires loose grip and start to spin, all can go bad real quick, hence why the car has nannies in the first place.

GhostC6

Wow, that video sucked, I have no intentions on doing that. I appreciate the heads up but I have done these things in other vehicles in the past. I guess I should be more specific, I have not done it in my C6 or a vehicle with traction control. So the traction control is what is kinda messing with me.

Dano523

TC/ active handling is not messing with you, but trying to keep you out of trouble instead.

If you want to spin the tires, then push the TC button twice, which will put the car in to comp mod; and at least the yaw correction on to a less degree.

Again, if you get wheel hop while spinning the tires, kiss the drive line good-by, and you in for a repair bill starting in the thousands when parts of the drive line self destructs.

If you are feeling brave (or really stupid in most cases), then press the TC button and hold it down for 5 seconds. This will turn off all the nannies that are trying to keep you from crashing the car, and your truly own your own!!!!!!

To turn the nannies back on, press the Tc button and check the DIC to tell you back to normal mode.

FYI,

in standard/normal mode, when the tires start to spin, or you get the back end out of shape, the car will reduce power to get everything back to normal.

In comp mode, the car will not reduce power if the tires start to spin, and regarding the active handling Yaw correcting when the back end start to step out, comp mode will still still reduce the power to assist you , but the back end is allow to step out a bit farther before the car reduced power to bring it back in.

In the all off mode, tires will spin freely like in Comp mode, and the active handling yaw correction it off, so the back end is free to come around on you as far as it wants, and the car is not going to reduce power to correct it. Also to add, when the back end does come around this far (read back of the car is now the part of the car going down the road first), you well beyond the point of no return!!!!

And again, before you go buck wild crazy spinning the tire, if the rear tires start to hop, it going to destroy the drive line before you can get out of the throttle to stop it.

tennblkc6

the sky is falling

mfoti

I have done a few burnouts on my 07 Z51 and have not had wheel hop. I always thought this was prone to happen in vehicles on the drag strip or with drag radials (ie high traction environments). Are the goodyear F1 tires sticky enough to induce a wheel hop?

Dr.Ron

Go up to 4500 rpm's, no brake and dump the clutch and steer straight. Keep the revs at 4500-5000 with throttle modulation. You just did a rolling burnout, which is my technique for a street tire burnout at the track.

Ron

StKnoWhere

The key as Dr. Ron said is do not floor it, ease into it and modulate the throttle.

You can practice on a remote, empty wet parking lot first to get a feel for it.

Have fun and bee safe

C U IN REARVEIW

Lets not over complicate things. ....go to a big empty parking lot somewhere, turn it to competition mode (2 pushes of button) and just start feeling it out. If you get wheel hop.....GET OUT OF THE POWER! I mean its not a china doll....just use some common sense. Better to lose control in an empty parking lot than on the streets somewhere. Have fun, safely!

GhostC6

I forgot to add I have an automatic not manual, so then I guess I should ask if it should be in Drive, 3, 2 or 1?

The 3 modes of traction control is what confuses me and I still need to re-read what each is.

I was starting to think I needed to go buy a different car since everyone was saying the corvette is a china doll, I mean are these cars made to go fast or trailer queens, I mean really.

Plus, the Michelin tires I have do not have enough grip for wheel hop or I would be surprised if they did considering they seem to spin all the time even when not trying, but it seems when I do try it will not spin, so weird.

I am going to commit the 3 modes of traction control to memory, that will help me a lot.

GhostC6

So if one wanted to do doughnuts, hold the button down 5 seconds and turn it off?

Spin tires a little while sliding a little sideways put in comp mode?

And for more controlled and normal driving leave it fully on?

Sound accurate?

C U IN REARVEIW

You got it...have fun!

Bill Dearborn

I haven't had an automatic Vette for close to 30 years. With a manual C5/C6Z I just bring the rpm's up to about 2200 to 2300 and when I want to start I let out the clutch, while adding throttle. Back tires will haze nicely and if you don't push the throttle down to quickly will hook and let you go wide open as soon as you feel the hook. You can probably something similar with the automatic by braking while bringing the rpms up to the same point, releasing the brake and rolling quickly onto the throttle (not dropping a hammer on it).

What happens to people like the guy with the C5 in the video is they forget the car has an LSD and that both rear tires will spin. That means you lose a lot of steering control (sort of like a small sail boat with its dagger board/keel raised). It takes some steering input to keep things in line and you have to be on top of it reacting to each small sideways movement. If you let it get too far the backend will try and pass the front as it did to the guy in the video. Then it is too late to add steering input and you need both feet in NOW. Obviously, the guy in the C5 never drove a LSD equipped vehicle in snow/ice or he wouldn't have lost control. Same thing can happen on a 1-2 shift so you have to be anticipate the backend moving sideways when you make the shift.

As for spinning the tires with TC on it is easy. As long as both rear wheels spin at the same time (with a proper launch it is almost guaranteed with an LSD) TC will let the tires spin quite liberally until the rear wheel speed far exceeds the front wheel speed. If one wheel starts spinning before the other it will shut you down, quick.

If you want to have some stability control then drive in comp mode when trying to spin the tires. The DIC will tell you which mode you are in. TC off, Comp Mode or all Off.

Bill

GhostC6

I was playing with my Traction Control today, all I can see or find on mine is two modes. It has on and off. I tried everything we discussed and do not seem to have or can't find competition mode. Did that come on the 2005 convertible? I checked the owners manual and all it talks about is on and off, nothing else. Anyone know about this for sure on the 2005? Thanks guys!

Bill Dearborn

If you push the button twice within a 5 second period the system will go into Competitive Handling Mode. If you hold the button down for 5 seconds that will switch off Active Handling and Traction Control. If you have a tire pressure sensor problem or a tire that is reading below a certain pressure reading the system will not allow these two modes.

Bill

GhostC6

The only thing I can get it to do is this.

Push and hold, turns it off.

Push and hold again, turns it on.

Push once and release. Nothing.

Push twice and release nothing.

The only way I can get it to do anything is push and hold?

Could the 2005 not have Competition mode or am I doing something wrong?

GhostC6

I tried it again today and all I get is either on or off. Regardless of how many times or how long I hold it. Does anyone know if the 2005 Base Convertible C6 Corvette with soft ride came with all three options or just two? Is there any GM or Chevrolet mechanics or specialist that knows for sure? And if so, can you tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
Rick

EVRose

Here's how it works on my 05. Yours should be the same.

tennblkc6

yep..my coupe works the same way. 2 presses within 5 seconds is comp mode. hold down for 8-10 seconds or more and all is off.

GhostC6

Does it matter if the engine is running, does it matter if you are driving, do you need to be stopped and in park, brake on, or can you do this any time? Going to check it here in a few minutes and see if it works for me.