Oil leak... out of ideas, looking for suggestions from the pro's.
#21
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#22
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You think it's at the valve cover lower rail area? You could slip the header off and use a air nozzle gun and blow from the outside and look for bubbles inside the rail area. If you suspect the exhaust port, do the same and inject air in the port, again look for bubbling through the oil on the inside. Were the heads ported to much?
#23
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I am thinking cracked cylinder head or blown head gasket. I've never seen oil leak out of a exhaust port, doesn't mean it can't happen but I'd think it would burn up well before it could leak.
#24
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To add to that.... there is no oil where the head meets the block.. I have run my finger there 100 times now looking... nothing at all.
Last edited by realcanuk; 04-20-2016 at 07:35 PM.
#25
Melting Slicks
I mentioned using air pressure because cold, cracks may not be evident until the head has warmed, and the oil gets thinner, easier to seep through.
Last edited by extrapilot; 04-20-2016 at 07:54 PM.
#26
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Thanks for the suggestions.
#27
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That makes me think that the leak's source is somehow related to the oil passageways where the oil is under pressure.
Is it possible that a hole was drilled (or drilled deeper) for any headwork or headers?
Could you pull the headers off about 1/4" to 1/2", run the engine and see if the oil truly comes from the interior of the exhaust port? Sounds like it should be quite evident.
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Is it possible that a hole was drilled (or drilled deeper) for any headwork or headers?
Could you pull the headers off about 1/4" to 1/2", run the engine and see if the oil truly comes from the interior of the exhaust port? Sounds like it should be quite evident.
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#28
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Originally Posted by (hmmm)
That makes me think that the leak's source is somehow related to the oil passageways where the oil is under pressure.
Is it possible that a hole was drilled (or drilled deeper) for any headwork or headers?
Could you pull the headers off about 1/4" to 1/2", run the engine and see if the oil truly comes from the interior of the exhaust port? Sounds like it should be quite evident.
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Is it possible that a hole was drilled (or drilled deeper) for any headwork or headers?
Could you pull the headers off about 1/4" to 1/2", run the engine and see if the oil truly comes from the interior of the exhaust port? Sounds like it should be quite evident.
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#30
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
Check the oil cooler, or block off plate drivers side of the block above the oil filter
#31
Melting Slicks
That's the valve cover don't go desasemble nothing just yet I know you said it isn't but just give this a try! take a paper towel and wipe the area just below the valve cover rail where the oil is falling to the header pipe see if comes out wet.
#32
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Originally Posted by xBoostx
That's the valve cover don't go desasemble nothing just yet I know you said it isn't but just give this a try! take a paper towel and wipe the area just below the valve cover rail where the oil is falling to the header pipe see if comes out wet.
#33
Melting Slicks
There's no presurised oil anywhere in the head and a bad head gasket makes the engine overheat if not overheating your head gasket is must likely not the culprit.
One thing I know oil is coming from somewhere, check your spark plus see if one near by is lose.
One thing I know oil is coming from somewhere, check your spark plus see if one near by is lose.
#34
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Yes... I don't suspect the head gasket as the oil is above it anyways. Spark plugs have been checked. I will know more Monday. I suspect a possible cracked head, as I am out of other options until I remove the header and check further.
#36
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Forgot to update this....thanks for asking.
Oil was definitely coming from inside the port.
Problem seems to be that some valve seals just don't want to stay seated. WCCH says on some of the earlier heads like mine the guides are very smooth on the outside so on their recommendation we basically "knurled" the guides a bit. The seals went on tighter and hopefully stay down. So far so good, although I wont really know if its leaking a bit because I used a different header gasket that wont allow the oil through.
I need to get the guides changed, but I want to try and get through the short summer season. I will send the heads out next winter, when the car just sits anyways.
The odd thing it is is only a few seals that wont stay seated, although all the guides measure perfectly to spec on the outside diameter.
Just one of those weird things we have to deal with I guess.
Oil was definitely coming from inside the port.
Problem seems to be that some valve seals just don't want to stay seated. WCCH says on some of the earlier heads like mine the guides are very smooth on the outside so on their recommendation we basically "knurled" the guides a bit. The seals went on tighter and hopefully stay down. So far so good, although I wont really know if its leaking a bit because I used a different header gasket that wont allow the oil through.
I need to get the guides changed, but I want to try and get through the short summer season. I will send the heads out next winter, when the car just sits anyways.
The odd thing it is is only a few seals that wont stay seated, although all the guides measure perfectly to spec on the outside diameter.
Just one of those weird things we have to deal with I guess.
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At least it's figured out
#38
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Yup... been driving it for a week with no issues now. I wish I had realized what the problem was at the end of last summer, when I noticed it first. Would have done the guides over this winter.
As pissed as I was at this issue, I still realize that I have way less issues than most do, so I did something right. LOL
As pissed as I was at this issue, I still realize that I have way less issues than most do, so I did something right. LOL
#39
Melting Slicks
Forgot to update this....thanks for asking.
Oil was definitely coming from inside the port.
Problem seems to be that some valve seals just don't want to stay seated. WCCH says on some of the earlier heads like mine the guides are very smooth on the outside so on their recommendation we basically "knurled" the guides a bit. The seals went on tighter and hopefully stay down. So far so good, although I wont really know if its leaking a bit because I used a different header gasket that wont allow the oil through.
I need to get the guides changed, but I want to try and get through the short summer season. I will send the heads out next winter, when the car just sits anyways.
The odd thing it is is only a few seals that wont stay seated, although all the guides measure perfectly to spec on the outside diameter.
Just one of those weird things we have to deal with I guess.
Oil was definitely coming from inside the port.
Problem seems to be that some valve seals just don't want to stay seated. WCCH says on some of the earlier heads like mine the guides are very smooth on the outside so on their recommendation we basically "knurled" the guides a bit. The seals went on tighter and hopefully stay down. So far so good, although I wont really know if its leaking a bit because I used a different header gasket that wont allow the oil through.
I need to get the guides changed, but I want to try and get through the short summer season. I will send the heads out next winter, when the car just sits anyways.
The odd thing it is is only a few seals that wont stay seated, although all the guides measure perfectly to spec on the outside diameter.
Just one of those weird things we have to deal with I guess.
I think some others have had similar issues like yours as I have read that some found parts of there seals in the bottom of the oil pan. He found out when doing a oil change.....
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Yeah, at least you can still drive it.. that would really suck for it to go down during the short summer up there
And I'm assuming it's not billowing smoke, so probably not a huge deal for a summer. And it shouldn't be too bad to fix come winter
And I'm assuming it's not billowing smoke, so probably not a huge deal for a summer. And it shouldn't be too bad to fix come winter