[Z06] z06 with paddle shift?
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The current paddle shifter is made for the A6 Corvettes. I don't think they have any plans on making an auto Z06. I don't think they have any plans on building a true M6 paddle shift Z06 either. I wish they would. That would be awesome.
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Motorcycles have been paddle shifters from day 1 with the foot shifter, and it makes sense given that the don't have the tactility with your foot in shoe, that you do with your hand.
Personally I find it annoying to have to rack through all of the gears to say go from 6th to 2nd. I definitely wouldn't want one on a car for the aforementioned reason, and can't imagine why anyone would.
It appears to be another "gotta have gadget" from racing cars (F-1, etc.). It makes lot of sense there, since there is no room in the cockpit for the conventional double H shift pattern of a six speed, but unless you guys are the size of a blimp, I don't see it.
I prefer the speed of the double H traditional shifter, over the slow, gear racking sequential shifter
Personally I find it annoying to have to rack through all of the gears to say go from 6th to 2nd. I definitely wouldn't want one on a car for the aforementioned reason, and can't imagine why anyone would.
It appears to be another "gotta have gadget" from racing cars (F-1, etc.). It makes lot of sense there, since there is no room in the cockpit for the conventional double H shift pattern of a six speed, but unless you guys are the size of a blimp, I don't see it.
I prefer the speed of the double H traditional shifter, over the slow, gear racking sequential shifter
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It shifts faster than a normal person can in the heat of the moment. It is one less thing for the driver to do wrong, everybody wants to think they are the best drivers in the world, but the fact is a person can only micromanage so many things at one given time. The C6R uses a sequential, so do most race cars actually.
Also they are not true sequentials, they go into neutral between shifts, a true sequential just jumps from gear to gear, but apparently there are mandates that statea car should be able to go into neutral at any give them from any gear, which would be almost impossible with a true sequential gearbox.
Also they are not true sequentials, they go into neutral between shifts, a true sequential just jumps from gear to gear, but apparently there are mandates that statea car should be able to go into neutral at any give them from any gear, which would be almost impossible with a true sequential gearbox.
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Originally Posted by jpetrol2511
do you think if i put in an order they will build it? or does anyone know if it will become an option
I'm just having some fun here, don't take me too seriously on this one.
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Originally Posted by SMFCPACFP
Motorcycles have been paddle shifters from day 1 with the foot shifter, and it makes sense given that the don't have the tactility with your foot in shoe, that you do with your hand.
Personally I find it annoying to have to rack through all of the gears to say go from 6th to 2nd. I definitely wouldn't want one on a car for the aforementioned reason, and can't imagine why anyone would.
It appears to be another "gotta have gadget" from racing cars (F-1, etc.). It makes lot of sense there, since there is no room in the cockpit for the conventional double H shift pattern of a six speed, but unless you guys are the size of a blimp, I don't see it.
I prefer the speed of the double H traditional shifter, over the slow, gear racking sequential shifter
Personally I find it annoying to have to rack through all of the gears to say go from 6th to 2nd. I definitely wouldn't want one on a car for the aforementioned reason, and can't imagine why anyone would.
It appears to be another "gotta have gadget" from racing cars (F-1, etc.). It makes lot of sense there, since there is no room in the cockpit for the conventional double H shift pattern of a six speed, but unless you guys are the size of a blimp, I don't see it.
I prefer the speed of the double H traditional shifter, over the slow, gear racking sequential shifter
It is ironic that a lot of custom choppers have "suicide" or "jockey" shifters on them like some Harleys and Indians from the 30s and 40s had. This is a piece of nostalgia we can do without. It is the worst of everything. Can you imagine trying to work a stick shift on a bike while you are turning or under full-throttle acceleration? What were (are) they thinking?
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The current 6-speed automatic with paddle shifting option is not capable of handling the TQ of the LS7 engine (unless you want the TQ of the engine limited to 400 lb-ft -- which eliminates most of the utility of the LS7 engine).
A hydraulically shifted M6 transmission is a future possibility, but look towards ponying up around $7K-$10K for the price of admission. Based on the Ferrari and BMW you can look towards short clutch life and expensive repairs.
A hydraulically shifted M6 transmission is a future possibility, but look towards ponying up around $7K-$10K for the price of admission. Based on the Ferrari and BMW you can look towards short clutch life and expensive repairs.
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Originally Posted by MitchAlsup
A hydraulically shifted M6 transmission is a future possibility, but look towards ponying up around $7K-$10K for the price of admission. Based on the Ferrari and BMW you can look towards short clutch life and expensive repairs.
In essence I don't really see why a sequential tranny would be much more expensive than a regular M6 since all it adds are a few actuators and software.
As far as wear - again it will depend on driving style. BMW forums report plenty of SMG M3s with close to 100K on original clutches. Also clutch replacements on SMG BMW aren't any more expensive than a regular clutch job.
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I haven't yet driven an A6 so I don't know how well it does or doesn't work. But I do have much experience with an F355 F1. It was very much a pleasure to drive and by pulling the upshift and downshift paddles simultaneously, you got neutral from any gear. You could pull any number of upshifts on that paddle in far less time than it would take you to even think about it, much less actually move a shifter through an H pattern to the desired position. So IMHO there's no reason a sequential transmission wouldn't/couldn't be very capable.
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Originally Posted by robvuk
I haven't yet driven an A6 so I don't know how well it does or doesn't work. But I do have much experience with an F355 F1. It was very much a pleasure to drive and by pulling the upshift and downshift paddles simultaneously, you got neutral from any gear. You could pull any number of upshifts on that paddle in far less time than it would take you to even think about it, much less actually move a shifter through an H pattern to the desired position. So IMHO there's no reason a sequential transmission wouldn't/couldn't be very capable.
I've driven an SMG m3. And while in the beginning it felt clunky - you can quickly learn to drive it just as smooth as a regular stick by giving a little gas before up shifting. Too bad you can't put it into N from paddles - you have to do from the stick.
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The SMG option on BMW is only $3K. The DSG option on Audi is even cheaper (<2K). Toyota had a sequential tranny for just $600 extra on Mr2.
In essence I don't really see why a sequential tranny would be much more expensive than a regular M6 since all it adds are a few actuators and software...
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In essence I don't really see why a sequential tranny would be much more expensive than a regular M6 since all it adds are a few actuators and software...
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Originally Posted by jpetrol2511
do you think if i put in an order they will build it? or does anyone know if it will become an option
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Originally Posted by robvuk
I haven't yet driven an A6 so I don't know how well it does or doesn't work. But I do have much experience with an F355 F1. It was very much a pleasure to drive and by pulling the upshift and downshift paddles simultaneously, you got neutral from any gear. You could pull any number of upshifts on that paddle in far less time than it would take you to even think about it, much less actually move a shifter through an H pattern to the desired position. So IMHO there's no reason a sequential transmission wouldn't/couldn't be very capable.
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If you really want to find out how paddle shifters can work well, read about the F1 setup on the Ferrari F430. In addition to being very fast, both up and down, there are a serious of programs that provide anything from automatic transmission-type use to a full race setup. I believe the 430 has 150 millisecond shifts, although that number may be wrong.
There have been lots of review and discussions about the F430's F1 system, which is significantly better than the system used by Ferrari on the 360. Of course, the genesis of the system is F1 racing. I can see a bunch of advantages to not having a clutch pedal or not having to take your hand off of a wheel.
There have been lots of review and discussions about the F430's F1 system, which is significantly better than the system used by Ferrari on the 360. Of course, the genesis of the system is F1 racing. I can see a bunch of advantages to not having a clutch pedal or not having to take your hand off of a wheel.
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Originally Posted by StrayDog
Interesting article & road test of the Z06 in the Febuary issue,of Hemmings Muscle Machine Magazine, page 41, A Travis Parman a GM executive is Quoted, "This car has a lot of Fevor & with the F1 -style Paddle shifter it will have even more "...................This is in a write up & excellant road test of the ZO6...............Food for thought The Dog