[Z06] DYNO RESULTS FOR THE SUPER BEE Carbon CF112 VERIFIED
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DYNO RESULTS FOR THE SUPER BEE Carbon CF112 VERIFIED
We all know how dynos work right? Many variations of dyno setups, Superflow, DynoJet, Mustang, Land and Sea, and the correction factors can make you nuts trying to settle what is real and what is hype.
Twelve years of dyno testing and intake development has lead to an intake that is by far, the best bolt on intake we have ever developed. Our Super Bee CF112 is made by the shop that brings us the C6.R, C6.RS, GT1 and GT2 Race bodies, and all of Halltech and Katech's carbon fiber parts. Our new Super Bee Carbon is being installed by the best tuners in the world, including Katech, LPE, Quality MS, Pratt and Miller Racing, Kooks Headers on their Z06, Nick Williams Performance, LS1 Speed, Jerry's Chevrolet, Scoggin Dickey's Z06, and many other fine shops around the country.
Our very first production unit was sent to Jerry's Chevrolet in South Dakota earlier this Spring. They have had Excessive Autosports in town do all of their custom installations, and have done business with Halltech for many years, along with many other Chevy dealers nationwide.
They had just received a 2010 Z06 off the carrier and it was in for a few mods before the customer picked up the car. First on the list was our new Super Bee CF112 Carbon induction system with the Beehive Carbon heat shield.
This unit in Carbon fiber MUST have the MAF transfer curve recalibrated to run properly, so they took our Excel file and swept the MAF low and MAF high tables only. No further tuning was done since the 91 Octane prevents lean open loop commanded ratios and timing must be left alone.
Four stock pulls, vs. two Super Bee pulls showed a gain of +33 RWHP 17.43 lbs-ft torque with this single mod. This is a record for any single bolt on mod as far as I know. You might say, well tuning helped, but there is a difference between aligning MAF Transfer Curves to an intake vs. full performance tuning, which would have been counterproductive with the 91 Octane Fuel. The air fuel ratio went from 11.55:1 factory, to 12.2:1 with the MAF TC change, which does contribute to bigger numbers.
Here is the dyno:
Now the interesting part. Carlos, who everyone knows, was skeptical and even though I told him that the dyno numbers would be big, had to see for himself.
His results were like a clone of the dyno done across the country:
+34.1 RWHP/32.6lbs-ft torque! I suspect some of the increase was due to his tuning for higher octane as well.
Dyno results:
Then he decided to test the 1st generation Killer Bee vs the Killer Bee II.
This was tuned results on both systems. Is it worth moving up from the Killer Bee to the Killer Bee II? You Bee the judge:
Twelve years of dyno testing and intake development has lead to an intake that is by far, the best bolt on intake we have ever developed. Our Super Bee CF112 is made by the shop that brings us the C6.R, C6.RS, GT1 and GT2 Race bodies, and all of Halltech and Katech's carbon fiber parts. Our new Super Bee Carbon is being installed by the best tuners in the world, including Katech, LPE, Quality MS, Pratt and Miller Racing, Kooks Headers on their Z06, Nick Williams Performance, LS1 Speed, Jerry's Chevrolet, Scoggin Dickey's Z06, and many other fine shops around the country.
Our very first production unit was sent to Jerry's Chevrolet in South Dakota earlier this Spring. They have had Excessive Autosports in town do all of their custom installations, and have done business with Halltech for many years, along with many other Chevy dealers nationwide.
They had just received a 2010 Z06 off the carrier and it was in for a few mods before the customer picked up the car. First on the list was our new Super Bee CF112 Carbon induction system with the Beehive Carbon heat shield.
This unit in Carbon fiber MUST have the MAF transfer curve recalibrated to run properly, so they took our Excel file and swept the MAF low and MAF high tables only. No further tuning was done since the 91 Octane prevents lean open loop commanded ratios and timing must be left alone.
Four stock pulls, vs. two Super Bee pulls showed a gain of +33 RWHP 17.43 lbs-ft torque with this single mod. This is a record for any single bolt on mod as far as I know. You might say, well tuning helped, but there is a difference between aligning MAF Transfer Curves to an intake vs. full performance tuning, which would have been counterproductive with the 91 Octane Fuel. The air fuel ratio went from 11.55:1 factory, to 12.2:1 with the MAF TC change, which does contribute to bigger numbers.
Here is the dyno:
Now the interesting part. Carlos, who everyone knows, was skeptical and even though I told him that the dyno numbers would be big, had to see for himself.
His results were like a clone of the dyno done across the country:
+34.1 RWHP/32.6lbs-ft torque! I suspect some of the increase was due to his tuning for higher octane as well.
Dyno results:
Then he decided to test the 1st generation Killer Bee vs the Killer Bee II.
This was tuned results on both systems. Is it worth moving up from the Killer Bee to the Killer Bee II? You Bee the judge:
Last edited by Halltech; 07-21-2010 at 01:07 PM.
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So basically that is with only MAF adjustment due to the bigger diameter. What do you think the figure will be if dialed in for a 12.8 afr and a better timing curve than the stock one?
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Hard to believe the stock bell shaped intake is THAT restrictive, but if I were to buy an intake, this would be at the top of the list.
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We are running 22 degrees timing even on our 13:1 CR motor with E85 and no knock retard at all.
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Yes. The 12.2:1 A/F ratio is fat city on the LS7. We have even run dyno testing on our 2006 Z06 with Donaldson Co. when they were developing the ZR1 filter and found the sweet spot at 13.2:1. Even 13.5:1 on E10 bumped HP but started losing 2 degrees timing at 6000 set at 24 degrees full timing (92 Octane E10 in MN). We went from 448 RWHP (LGs dyno four months earlier) to 476.77 RWHP with just the tuning. This was the very first Z06 ever tuned.
We are running 22 degrees timing even on our 13:1 CR motor with E85 and no knock retard at all.
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We are running 22 degrees timing even on our 13:1 CR motor with E85 and no knock retard at all.
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Jim just a update. We made 561 rwhp with the CF112, ARH catless and lethal cam on a mustang dyno. I was very impressed with how the combo performed! Adding a ported TB and intake tomorrow and will redyno and let you know how it turns out!
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Not bad!!! Do you happen to know the before numbers and how much she picked overall?
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One thing I would like to correct though. The ported throttle body is really NOT ported in the sense of making it larger. It is still 90mm at the throttle plate. Most are mearly port matched to smooth out areas that create turbulence, which can help flow numbers. The problem is, 90mm is about perfect for the 428 c.i.d. LS7 motor, as proven by the small gain from a 12mm larger TB (+5 HP)
I think Katech got no increase in performance from a customers ported throttle body and or a port matched stock intake manifold. Jason can respond better to this.
My guess is, that port matching the TB, intake tract have little if any effect on performance, or I would have done it myself.
Jim
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Not the shape of the intake but rather the filter. The Donaldson's do a great job of filtration at around 99.6% efficiency, but our K&N filter made only for Halltech is ISO5011 tested and has a 99.3% efficiency rating as long as it is kept oiled. We looked into the dry filter made by AEM, but it was too restrictive.
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Just want to be clear on things, it seems from what I've seen the biggest gains come from your setup and that's a combination of airbridge design+filter media. Or is it that the attack blue filter is much more restrictive then your filter?
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So the stock intake design is as good as it can be, *just* the filter is a restriction? If so how is the "Attack Blue" so far behind other aftermarket unit that replace both filter and airbridge? The AB shows very little gains, in fact the stock ZR1 filter in a recent test gained similar hp and much more tq.....the AB lost tq in comparison even to the stock Z06 filter from what I remember.
Just want to be clear on things, it seems from what I've seen the biggest gains come from your setup and that's a combination of airbridge design+filter media. Or is it that the attack blue filter is much more restrictive then your filter?
Just want to be clear on things, it seems from what I've seen the biggest gains come from your setup and that's a combination of airbridge design+filter media. Or is it that the attack blue filter is much more restrictive then your filter?
The stock intake has an ellipse that has 12.54 sq. inches at the outlet. The Super Bee CF112 is 112 mm and has well over 15.3 sq. inches at the outlet and zero restriction to flow from PCV line protrusions, MAF protrusions, since the MAF/IAT sensor is forward under the Beehive Heat Shield.
Having the MAF sensor too close to the throttle body can cause buffeting of the airflow at low speed, and results in surging issues. We eliminate that totally on the stock LS7, and improve surging issues on the cammed LS7.
If we can make +33 RWHP with simple MAF Transfer Curve changes, that should tell the story about what we have accomplished comparing to stock.
This is the no tuning Katech Dyno results (SuperFlow Engine dyno) comparing the stock LS7 AIS to our Super Bee and Killer Bee:
I do not know anything about the filter you are referring to.
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Thanks for the response, i figured the combination of airbridge and filter go hand in hand for the gains seen.
That filter I referenced is sold here by a vendor, it's made as a drop-in using the stock LS7/LS3 airbox (airbridge). It looks like most cotton pleated filters except it resides inside in the stock filter location....the claimed hp gain is 4-5rwhp. A few forum members have seen small gains of about 4-5hp with that air filter on a dyno.....about what someone seems if just replacing the stock Z06 filter with the ZR1 media.
In any case your intake setup is by far the most hp I've seen posted on the forum and imo, the best looking as well
That filter I referenced is sold here by a vendor, it's made as a drop-in using the stock LS7/LS3 airbox (airbridge). It looks like most cotton pleated filters except it resides inside in the stock filter location....the claimed hp gain is 4-5rwhp. A few forum members have seen small gains of about 4-5hp with that air filter on a dyno.....about what someone seems if just replacing the stock Z06 filter with the ZR1 media.
In any case your intake setup is by far the most hp I've seen posted on the forum and imo, the best looking as well
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Forgive me for asking a basic question possibly asked before but your KB CF112 is obviously your highest power making intake. Will you offer this in a plain finish (similar to KB II) as opposed to the carbon model to offer a cheaper solution but still achieve the power gains?