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Old 09-22-2014, 12:22 PM
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If Porsche would let the Cayman have some Horsepower it definitely would become my top dog. Even at 300-350 HP it is very desirable.

Light, nimble, solid, but just not yet enough HP for consumers of extreme cars.
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Originally Posted by pkincy
but just not yet enough HP for consumers of extreme cars.
I think that's mostly because they see the posted numbers and never drive one. They don't realize 100 less HP in a car that weighs 5-600 pounds less is every bit as quick.
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Love the S2000. Bought one new in 2001 and in retrospect I never should have gotten out of it. My C6Z comes close to the feel of it but it's bigger and not as nimble...the power though...
There is something about straight line acceleration/torque that brings a smile to my face every time in the C7, but there aren't many opportunities to take advantage of that power. Those exit ramps you took at 7K RPM in 3rd gear in the S2000, you know I mean. Try that in the C6Z.
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Originally Posted by pkincy
If Porsche would let the Cayman have some Horsepower it definitely would become my top dog. Even at 300-350 HP it is very desirable.

Light, nimble, solid, but just not yet enough HP for consumers of extreme cars.
They do - it's call a 911.

Jeesh.....
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Originally Posted by pkincy
but the ZR1 is a bit over 3400
the two published weights for the ZR1 was 3333 and 3353. It is not over 3400lb, never was.
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I think that's mostly because they see the posted numbers and never drive one. They don't realize 100 less HP in a car that weighs 5-600 pounds less is every bit as quick.
And that of course is the essence of this thread. I just looked at a YouTube video of a friend running around in NCal woods/windy roads in his new to him Cayman S. A huge grin on his face. So maybe that is the answer for some of us in the future if Chevrolet and Corvette continue in the "Big is Better" camp.
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Originally Posted by birdflu
There is something about straight line acceleration/torque that brings a smile to my face every time in the C7, but there aren't many opportunities to take advantage of that power. Those exit ramps you took at 7K RPM in 3rd gear in the S2000, you know I mean. Try that in the C6Z.
I do, but now I'm going 140 at the end of the ramp instead of 80

No question though, that car was a benchmark.
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Some of us remember 1973 and the predictions that the era of the performance car was over. High performance will continue to evolve, whether the cars are heavier or not.
The GTR is a heavy car too, but dam, that things moves off the line. Surprised me w/just a V6 too.
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Originally Posted by mirage2991
the two published weights for the ZR1 was 3333 and 3353. It is not over 3400lb, never was.
Your avatar...Is that a G-650? Sweet.
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Originally Posted by birdflu
There is something about straight line acceleration/torque that brings a smile to my face every time in the C7, but there aren't many opportunities to take advantage of that power. Those exit ramps you took at 7K RPM in 3rd gear in the S2000, you know I mean. Try that in the C6Z.
Oh wow, I thought I was the only one that came from an S. Had an 07 LBP…Vortech Supercharged. Was a great car but I wanted torque.

Ludedude, I believe you were a regular on s2ki. I recognize your screen name.
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Originally Posted by Rubn1out4GudLuk
Oh wow, I thought I was the only one that came from an S. Had an 07 LBP…Vortech Supercharged. Was a great car but I wanted torque.

Ludedude, I believe you were a regular on s2ki. I recognize your screen name.
As I know it, there are actually quite a few that moved from the S to the Z; it's not as big of a leap as you'd think especially if your focus is tracking or racing.

And yes, that's me...guilty as charged. I was one of the owners of S2Ki before we sold it to Internet Brands in late 2011.
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If you REALLY want a light car that is driver focused, try a Lotus Elise/Exige or Caterham.....makes the Porsche seem heavy/big

But there is something to be said for torque with the Corvette........
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Originally Posted by tim414
Your avatar...Is that a G-650? Sweet.
yup sure is!
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Originally Posted by wrh3
If you REALLY want a light car that is driver focused, try a Lotus Elise/Exige or Caterham.....makes the Porsche seem heavy/big
A good friend has an Elise. I also know someone who hit a racoon at 90MPH in his Elise. Shattered the headlight broke the clam shell. Over $15K in damage. Insurance totaled out the car. Fun go karts, but I wouldn't call it or the 7 cars in any practical sense.
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Yes, they are delicate in the sense that they are all fiberglass body and aluminum chassis cars but are the most involving and driver focused cars I have owned/driven. I daily drove mine, no issues. The one piece front and rear fiberglass "clams" are usually replaced when insurance is paying but can be repaired by a shop familiar with fiberglass repair at a much lesser cost. The one that would get you is if the chassis is bent, Lotus does not recommend repair but you still see some rebuilt title cars show up out there.....nothing I would touch though. With Lotus disappearing in the US, I'm sure parts will get more expensive.

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Originally Posted by wrh3
If you REALLY want a light car that is driver focused, try a Lotus Elise/Exige or Caterham.....makes the Porsche seem heavy/big

But there is something to be said for torque with the Corvette........
Well, if you're willing to build a kit car, an Ultima or GTM can satisfy both of those requirements.

2200 - 2500 lbs, and 500 - 700 hp!
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You're right, I can see an Ultima in my future.

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Originally Posted by pkincy
If Porsche would let the Cayman have some Horsepower it definitely would become my top dog... Even at 300-350 HP it is very desirable.
You mean like the just announced

2016 Cayman GT4 - $84,600+dest

Revealed today, ready to order for spring delivery.

Standard with "at least 385HP" NA power, Manual Transmission, 911 GT3 steering and front suspension, 30mm lowered, LSD/PTV, PASM, sports exhaust, 380mm (15") 2-piece rotors and 6/4-piston mono block calipers from the GT3, GT3 PASM dampers, 220lbs downforce at top speed, sports Chrono, 20" wheels with Cup 2 tires, HD radio, all standard, for only about $10K more than the Cayman GTS. But when yon consider the extra equipment it is the Porsche bargain of the century.

Oh, and it is 500 lbs lighter than a Z06 at 1,340KG.

Oh, and it laps the N'ring in a projected 7:40, which ties the 997 GT3.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ayman-gt4.html


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Was going to post the same link. Cayman GT4 looks awesome!
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i think the c7 is the last make over for the current platform. the next truly new platform will be quite different from current offerings. performance cars will always be produced, technology and regulations are going to change them big time.

weight is a huge factor in going fast, being quick. it can be compensated for with hp, tires, huge brakes and so on. these all have a very large cost in consumables such as tires, brake part replacement, fuel consumption and such. speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?

my solution for when i really want to go around a track fast is my shifter kart. forgetting the fact that it cannot be driven on the street, has no radio ,a/c , heated seats or anything but an engine and 5 wheels, it absolutely proves the fact that weight is everything in high performance fun!!!



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