[Z06] Need opinins on Aviaid dry sump upgrade
09-20-2014, 06:11 PM
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Need opinins on Aviaid dry sump upgrade
I have a lovely '08Z. I really don't do HPDX but I have done one at Gateway Motorsports Park and they do have IMO long left turn on turns 3 and 4 at the track, but the car will mainly be autoXing.
Seems in my research that most guys are doing the LPE tank, aviaid tank inset and the pan trap.
So my question to y'all is is the stage III to much for autoxing and two HPDX a year?
I will be doing H/C very soon
so I'm trying to get a parts list together and see how much I'm going to blow 
Any opinions welcome!
Seems in my research that most guys are doing the LPE tank, aviaid tank inset and the pan trap.
So my question to y'all is is the stage III to much for autoxing and two HPDX a year?
I will be doing H/C very soon
so I'm trying to get a parts list together and see how much I'm going to blow Any opinions welcome!
09-21-2014, 10:13 PM
#2
Melting Slicks
I have a 2006
My engine died from oil starvation on OEM tires at Mosport.
I installed the LPE tank and and
Aviad insert and have done many track days in the years since and had no problems. I always keep oil level to full mark, top hole on dipstick.
I have since added a pan baffle as well. Probably didn't need it.
I think the stage III would not be money well spent for your usage. Use those $ for consumables. Pads, gas, tires etc.
JMHO.
My engine died from oil starvation on OEM tires at Mosport.
I installed the LPE tank and and
Aviad insert and have done many track days in the years since and had no problems. I always keep oil level to full mark, top hole on dipstick.
I have since added a pan baffle as well. Probably didn't need it.
I think the stage III would not be money well spent for your usage. Use those $ for consumables. Pads, gas, tires etc.
JMHO.
09-21-2014, 10:58 PM
#3
I was holding off; I thought you'd have more responses by now.
If you're going to be running the engine to redline a lot I'd suggest talking to Katech since I hear issues about the stock pump foaming the oil at high RPM due to rotor speed. I'm far from an expert on that so that's why I suggest you talk to them. The solution for that may be far from cheap (I presume it will involve replacing the stock oil pump with an external unit... I'm not sure how far the Aviaid III goes toward this).
You definitely need the larger sump (IMHO). I'm not sure that running it at the full mark is wise (pumping oil into the intake at, again, high RPM, seems to be a lot of windage in this engine despite the engineers' effort to control it). Baffles and trays may alleviate that pumping, so again you need real LS7 track experts in this area (and again, I certainly am not one).
For a couple HPDE's a year I wouldn't be too concerned about any of this assuming a non-problematic track, but if you're going to toss in a lot of AutoX, if at high RPM, then I'd be looking to bulletproof the oiling system as much as practicable.
For reference (considering my new avatar), the oiling system on my 2009 is all stock except for a catch can and good oil (Redline), but the car is only likely to see a few track events a year on street tires and I tend to short shift. If I was going to really wring it out (7K RPM every shift, tracked every month, more serious tires) then I'd probably be making some changes.
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If you're going to be running the engine to redline a lot I'd suggest talking to Katech since I hear issues about the stock pump foaming the oil at high RPM due to rotor speed. I'm far from an expert on that so that's why I suggest you talk to them. The solution for that may be far from cheap (I presume it will involve replacing the stock oil pump with an external unit... I'm not sure how far the Aviaid III goes toward this).
You definitely need the larger sump (IMHO). I'm not sure that running it at the full mark is wise (pumping oil into the intake at, again, high RPM, seems to be a lot of windage in this engine despite the engineers' effort to control it). Baffles and trays may alleviate that pumping, so again you need real LS7 track experts in this area (and again, I certainly am not one).
For a couple HPDE's a year I wouldn't be too concerned about any of this assuming a non-problematic track, but if you're going to toss in a lot of AutoX, if at high RPM, then I'd be looking to bulletproof the oiling system as much as practicable.
For reference (considering my new avatar), the oiling system on my 2009 is all stock except for a catch can and good oil (Redline), but the car is only likely to see a few track events a year on street tires and I tend to short shift. If I was going to really wring it out (7K RPM every shift, tracked every month, more serious tires) then I'd probably be making some changes.
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Last edited by Mark2009; 09-21-2014 at 11:07 PM.
09-22-2014, 01:06 PM
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I have a 2006
My engine died from oil starvation on OEM tires at Mosport.
I installed the LPE tank and and
Aviad insert and have done many track days in the years since and had no problems. I always keep oil level to full mark, top hole on dipstick.
I have since added a pan baffle as well. Probably didn't need it.
I think the stage III would not be money well spent for your usage. Use those $ for consumables. Pads, gas, tires etc.
JMHO.
My engine died from oil starvation on OEM tires at Mosport.
I installed the LPE tank and and
Aviad insert and have done many track days in the years since and had no problems. I always keep oil level to full mark, top hole on dipstick.
I have since added a pan baffle as well. Probably didn't need it.
I think the stage III would not be money well spent for your usage. Use those $ for consumables. Pads, gas, tires etc.
JMHO.
Right I agree with you that why I'm seeking guys opinions on this.
I was holding off; I thought you'd have more responses by now.
If you're going to be running the engine to redline a lot I'd suggest talking to Katech since I hear issues about the stock pump foaming the oil at high RPM due to rotor speed. I'm far from an expert on that so that's why I suggest you talk to them. The solution for that may be far from cheap (I presume it will involve replacing the stock oil pump with an external unit... I'm not sure how far the Aviaid III goes toward this).
You definitely need the larger sump (IMHO). I'm not sure that running it at the full mark is wise (pumping oil into the intake at, again, high RPM, seems to be a lot of windage in this engine despite the engineers' effort to control it). Baffles and trays may alleviate that pumping, so again you need real LS7 track experts in this area (and again, I certainly am not one).
For a couple HPDE's a year I wouldn't be too concerned about any of this assuming a non-problematic track, but if you're going to toss in a lot of AutoX, if at high RPM, then I'd be looking to bulletproof the oiling system as much as practicable.
For reference (considering my new avatar), the oiling system on my 2009 is all stock except for a catch can and good oil (Redline), but the car is only likely to see a few track events a year on street tires and I tend to short shift. If I was going to really wring it out (7K RPM every shift, tracked every month, more serious tires) then I'd probably be making some changes.
.
If you're going to be running the engine to redline a lot I'd suggest talking to Katech since I hear issues about the stock pump foaming the oil at high RPM due to rotor speed. I'm far from an expert on that so that's why I suggest you talk to them. The solution for that may be far from cheap (I presume it will involve replacing the stock oil pump with an external unit... I'm not sure how far the Aviaid III goes toward this).
You definitely need the larger sump (IMHO). I'm not sure that running it at the full mark is wise (pumping oil into the intake at, again, high RPM, seems to be a lot of windage in this engine despite the engineers' effort to control it). Baffles and trays may alleviate that pumping, so again you need real LS7 track experts in this area (and again, I certainly am not one).
For a couple HPDE's a year I wouldn't be too concerned about any of this assuming a non-problematic track, but if you're going to toss in a lot of AutoX, if at high RPM, then I'd be looking to bulletproof the oiling system as much as practicable.
For reference (considering my new avatar), the oiling system on my 2009 is all stock except for a catch can and good oil (Redline), but the car is only likely to see a few track events a year on street tires and I tend to short shift. If I was going to really wring it out (7K RPM every shift, tracked every month, more serious tires) then I'd probably be making some changes.
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So I want to get pretty serious with the autoXing. I used 2nd gear running INVOs and it hooks ok only because I'm so low in the RPM range but its becomes a hand full once I start turning more RPM's. I've tried to watch the G meter but there's way too much going on for me to think about trying to look at the meter so I have no idea what my G's are. If I had to guess around .75ish
Here's a video of me autoX at Holley LS Fest
The ultimate goal is better brakes, fluid, 18's all the way around and a badass tar
and being the number one guy next year at Holley LS Fest 
Thanks guys and keep the comments coming!
09-22-2014, 02:12 PM
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Tank upgrades first. Needs more cap. and it needs oil control inside the tank. You can do the LPE modifications and the Aviaid insert or just be done with it and do the ARE tank on the car that has all of the goodies built into it.
After that it needs some sort of help at the pan to keep the pickup covered. The inset works, I am just not a fan of having bolts drilled through the pan and sealed with RTV. It works, just not a fan of how it goes together. Again, ARE pan more than solves for that when you do it and you will not have to worry about bolts sticking through the pan.
Next in line would be the pump/pickup. The factory pumps work ok, but even with the upgrades they can still run into issues. Most guys that are just running on the weekends and never see a full slick on the car, probably will not run into this. Full slick cars, that are going to pull a lot of g's at a lot of RPM's for extended periods of time should do the pump.
Those that are building solid engines, that are going to go racing, just bite the bullet and do a real race dry sump and don't worry about any of it. There are so many better options out there it isn't funny but they are all going to require the loss of A/C to do it.
But they do look pretty when they are done....like this Daily system we typically use installed on a customer's Z06
At least that is what we have seen.
After that it needs some sort of help at the pan to keep the pickup covered. The inset works, I am just not a fan of having bolts drilled through the pan and sealed with RTV. It works, just not a fan of how it goes together. Again, ARE pan more than solves for that when you do it and you will not have to worry about bolts sticking through the pan.
Next in line would be the pump/pickup. The factory pumps work ok, but even with the upgrades they can still run into issues. Most guys that are just running on the weekends and never see a full slick on the car, probably will not run into this. Full slick cars, that are going to pull a lot of g's at a lot of RPM's for extended periods of time should do the pump.
Those that are building solid engines, that are going to go racing, just bite the bullet and do a real race dry sump and don't worry about any of it. There are so many better options out there it isn't funny but they are all going to require the loss of A/C to do it.
But they do look pretty when they are done....like this Daily system we typically use installed on a customer's Z06
At least that is what we have seen.
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09-23-2014, 12:33 PM
#8
I have an 09 with the larger tank and was seeing evidence of oil starvation. I run at mid-o, grattan, gingerman. I went with the ARE system. I am pulling data off the car and I didn't get below 20 in the stock setup but I did get below 10psi per 1000 rpm which is a general guieline. With the new system, Andy Pilgrim pushing my car was spot on and it didn't miss a beat.
Neil
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09-23-2014, 12:51 PM
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Safety Car
09-24-2014, 05:24 PM
#11
Drifting
I only have one product from them. It's the oil tank baffle. It prevents left hand turn windage as well. I noticed my catch can always caught a good amount of oil. With the tank baffle, the catch can stays completely dry. My catch can is just off the tank and ties into the tank vent line between the tank and intake bellow.
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