[Z06] Good street tires - Invo, PSS, PS2, NT05?
#21
Le Mans Master
As an Invo owner, if you ever plan to use the gas pedal past a few percent, skip the Invos. Even new with stock Z06 power levels they will let loose with little effort and take away much of the joy of having a powerful sports car. On the plus side, they do ride nice and handle rain decently, though. They can be an OK cruising tire for the price as long as the grip limitations are acceptable.
I can't speak to the other choices as I'm still on the Invos. For me, the lack of grip takes them off the list for my next set of tires, though.
I can't speak to the other choices as I'm still on the Invos. For me, the lack of grip takes them off the list for my next set of tires, though.
#22
Melting Slicks
#23
Pro
So the Invo's suck for traction? They have a 220 tread rating (soft) and a AAA for traction.
Hell, my 315's on the Camaro were Nitto 555 Extremes and gripped for days (300 and only a AA)
I'm just confused I guess.
Hell, my 315's on the Camaro were Nitto 555 Extremes and gripped for days (300 and only a AA)
I'm just confused I guess.
#24
PSS will likely be your best bet. I imagine the Invo's are more comfortable and because they are asymmetric, you could technically rotate the rears for extra mileage. However, the side walls ARE softer than the MPSS' and I have personally witnessed other Z06 drivers claiming to hate the Invo's compared to the MPSS in the performance category.
I personally have the MPSS and at 500rwhp they handle the power just fine.
I personally have the MPSS and at 500rwhp they handle the power just fine.
#25
Team Owner
Each tire manufacturer has their own idea of tread rating and even sizes. I will tell you from experience that the Invos belong on minivans and not Z06s. You really get what you pay for when it comes to tires that's for sure....but the good thing is, you have one of the best performing street tires available for these cars. Michelins.
#26
Instructor
I have Invos. I have been able to get 18,000 out the rears (345/25/20), 24,000 on the fronts (235/30/19), I think the grip is good for the street, decent rain traction, OK noise levels. And I guess I am cheap!
#27
Racer
I'm actually currently deciding between the RE-11s and the Michelin PSS. Anyone have any direct comparison? I want to run the stock sizes.
I'm leaning toward the PSS, but I heard that the sidewall is a little softer. Which to me is weird because the PSS is Y rated, and the RE11 is W rated, so that should be the other way around. I'm just looking for something that will keep the car very sharp and responsive. I don't care about ride quality, noise, or wet weather performance.
I had Potenza S04s on my C5Z for 3 weeks, when I changed the stock supercars, and ripped them off for BFG Rivals. Car felt like a boat with the S04s. The Rivals worked perfectly up until I sold her. The RE-11s are in the same category (extreme perf summer) as the Rivals. The PSS are max performance or something like that.
I'm leaning toward the PSS, but I heard that the sidewall is a little softer. Which to me is weird because the PSS is Y rated, and the RE11 is W rated, so that should be the other way around. I'm just looking for something that will keep the car very sharp and responsive. I don't care about ride quality, noise, or wet weather performance.
I had Potenza S04s on my C5Z for 3 weeks, when I changed the stock supercars, and ripped them off for BFG Rivals. Car felt like a boat with the S04s. The Rivals worked perfectly up until I sold her. The RE-11s are in the same category (extreme perf summer) as the Rivals. The PSS are max performance or something like that.
Last edited by Mig233; 04-22-2016 at 02:12 PM.
#28
stock c6z06 sizes. 275/325
MPSS are just as cheap as Invo's though. So I don't know why Invo owners are cheap and MPSS owners aren't...
You can get the Nitto Invo's for about $1300 shipped. Then you have to get them mounted and balanced, assuming the shop is even equipped to do so and whether they will or not (Gateway Tire will not install non-run-flat's on a run-flat designated vehicle, for instance)
MPSS's, purchase price, tax and install was around $1580 for mine..and that supposedly comes with a 30K miles guarantee on my front tires and 15-20K (can't remember which) on the rears. We'll see.
It's the good sets of run flats that are $2K+. All the other tires are sub $2K and many are in the $1500-1750 range, mounted and balanced. Put about 5k miles on the car annually and this becomes a relatively cheap maintenance cost for such a high performance car.
MPSS are just as cheap as Invo's though. So I don't know why Invo owners are cheap and MPSS owners aren't...
You can get the Nitto Invo's for about $1300 shipped. Then you have to get them mounted and balanced, assuming the shop is even equipped to do so and whether they will or not (Gateway Tire will not install non-run-flat's on a run-flat designated vehicle, for instance)
MPSS's, purchase price, tax and install was around $1580 for mine..and that supposedly comes with a 30K miles guarantee on my front tires and 15-20K (can't remember which) on the rears. We'll see.
It's the good sets of run flats that are $2K+. All the other tires are sub $2K and many are in the $1500-1750 range, mounted and balanced. Put about 5k miles on the car annually and this becomes a relatively cheap maintenance cost for such a high performance car.
Last edited by fueledpassion; 04-22-2016 at 02:43 PM.
#29
stock c6z06 sizes. 275/325
MPSS are just as cheap as Invo's though. So I don't know why Invo owners are cheap and MPSS owners aren't...
You can get the Nitto Invo's for about $1300 shipped. Then you have to get them mounted and balanced, assuming the shop is even equipped to do so and whether they will or not (Gateway Tire will not install non-run-flat's on a run-flat designated vehicle, for instance)
MPSS's, purchase price, tax and install was around $1580 for mine..and that supposedly comes with a 30K miles guarantee on my front tires and 15-20K (can't remember which) on the rears. We'll see.
It's the good sets of run flats that are $2K+. All the other tires are sub $2K and many are in the $1500-1750 range, mounted and balanced. Put about 5k miles on the car annually and this becomes a relatively cheap maintenance cost for such a high performance car.
MPSS are just as cheap as Invo's though. So I don't know why Invo owners are cheap and MPSS owners aren't...
You can get the Nitto Invo's for about $1300 shipped. Then you have to get them mounted and balanced, assuming the shop is even equipped to do so and whether they will or not (Gateway Tire will not install non-run-flat's on a run-flat designated vehicle, for instance)
MPSS's, purchase price, tax and install was around $1580 for mine..and that supposedly comes with a 30K miles guarantee on my front tires and 15-20K (can't remember which) on the rears. We'll see.
It's the good sets of run flats that are $2K+. All the other tires are sub $2K and many are in the $1500-1750 range, mounted and balanced. Put about 5k miles on the car annually and this becomes a relatively cheap maintenance cost for such a high performance car.
I've got a few months left on these tires now, but never too soon to plan for next set.
#30
Pro
#31
Nah, I paid $409 for my MPSS rear tires and like $315 for the fronts. After tax and install it was just under $1600. You might save $200 going with Invo's, but they are in the same ballpark, IMO.
#32
Le Mans Master
I have RE-11's, but only on the rear, and they are not run flats, so I can't say much, except that the tread design looks like the NTO5's. I remember, when I first saw them I thought they had messed up and ordered Nitto's.
Last edited by lebvette; 04-26-2016 at 10:14 AM.
#33
Safety Car
#34
Le Mans Master
I run General UHP's on the front. I bought them just before they discontinued them. They have about 30k miles on them and still look new. They are not great for road racing, but I do not road race.
Originally, I had NTO5's on the rear, but for some reason they wore out before the fronts.(who would have thought) I replaced them with RE-11's.
Originally, I had NTO5's on the rear, but for some reason they wore out before the fronts.(who would have thought) I replaced them with RE-11's.
Last edited by lebvette; 04-26-2016 at 10:15 AM.
#35
Racer
Thread Starter
I still have not made up my mind.. was doing some google searches last night and ended up on Viper forums. Numerous guys on there have ran mpss AND invos and said invos are actually slightly better in a straight line.
Pretty much a fact the mpss corner better when pushed.
Pretty much a fact the mpss corner better when pushed.
#36
Racer
I'm really looking for more data on the RE11s. I'm leaning toward the MPSS right now, but I want to make sure I'm not going to regret going with the "extreme performance" tire.
I'm really looking for responsiveness, and sharp turn in, and I am also looking for halfway decent tread life. I don't care about wet weather performance, ride quality, or noise...I bought a Z06. But I don't want an 80 treadwear tire either (Toyo 888, Nitto NT01, and Michelin cup are all a No-Go).
Basically, I'm looking for a street tire that makes my sports car feel like a sports car.
I'm really looking for responsiveness, and sharp turn in, and I am also looking for halfway decent tread life. I don't care about wet weather performance, ride quality, or noise...I bought a Z06. But I don't want an 80 treadwear tire either (Toyo 888, Nitto NT01, and Michelin cup are all a No-Go).
Basically, I'm looking for a street tire that makes my sports car feel like a sports car.
Last edited by Mig233; 05-05-2016 at 07:59 AM.
#37
Team Owner
I'm really looking for more data on the RE11s. I'm leaning toward the MPSS right now, but I want to make sure I'm not going to regret going with the "extreme performance" tire.
I'm really looking for responsiveness, and sharp turn in, and I am also looking for halfway decent tread life. I don't care about wet weather performance, ride quality, or noise...I bought a Z06. But I don't want an 80 treadwear tire either (Toyo 888, Nitto NT01, and Michelin cup are all a No-Go).
Basically, I'm looking for a street tire that makes my sports car feel like a sports car.
I'm really looking for responsiveness, and sharp turn in, and I am also looking for halfway decent tread life. I don't care about wet weather performance, ride quality, or noise...I bought a Z06. But I don't want an 80 treadwear tire either (Toyo 888, Nitto NT01, and Michelin cup are all a No-Go).
Basically, I'm looking for a street tire that makes my sports car feel like a sports car.
#40
Racer
Yup...I had the BFG Rivals on my C5Z, and thought they were great. Didn't necessarily think they had the most absolute grip, and they took a bit to warm up. They also only started with 7/32s tread depth. I only had them on the car for about 4k miles, but they looked to last about 10k miles. But they were very responsive and had a sharp turn in.