[Z06] axleback exhaust for Z06-why so expensive?
09-22-2016, 08:01 AM
#1
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
axleback exhaust for Z06-why so expensive?
Can anyone explain why axleback exhausts for the Z06 are so damn expensive? I know the corvette tax exists but it's a little ridiculous to ask 1800 bux for a couple mufflers and 3 feet of pipe imo. You'd think with the stock mufflers being halfway adequate with a m2w switch that vendors would complete harder for our business. end morning rant
09-22-2016, 08:47 AM
#2
Racer
Can anyone explain why axleback exhausts for the Z06 are so damn expensive? I know the corvette tax exists but it's a little ridiculous to ask 1800 bux for a couple mufflers and 3 feet of pipe imo. You'd think with the stock mufflers being halfway adequate with a m2w switch that vendors would complete harder for our business. end morning rant
09-22-2016, 09:22 AM
#3
Team Owner
You can get axle backs from $600 to $4k. There is a huge swing in price. Don't like the expensive ones, then buy a budget one or stay stock. Nothing wrong with stock.
09-22-2016, 11:10 AM
#5
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I get that there's a difference in price in materials between titanium and 304 stainless, but why a 400+ dollar difference in systems for base C6 and Z06. 2.5" to 3" doesn't cost that much. I'm thinking about making my own rear section exhaust for much less
09-22-2016, 11:11 AM
#6
Team Owner
I find it no different than other cars. Like for my mustang. Headers go from $300 to $2000. You can get cheap china ebay stuff or high end nice race quality stuff. Same with catbacks for vettes. Plenty of cheap ebay ones, or low cost ones with less features, or there is high end ones. If you want light high end with dual mode that is $1700+. If you want just a set of mufflers, that is $700ish.
09-22-2016, 11:26 AM
#7
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I find it no different than other cars. Like for my mustang. Headers go from $300 to $2000. You can get cheap china ebay stuff or high end nice race quality stuff. Same with catbacks for vettes. Plenty of cheap ebay ones, or low cost ones with less features, or there is high end ones. If you want light high end with dual mode that is $1700+. If you want just a set of mufflers, that is $700ish.
09-22-2016, 11:31 AM
#9
Team Owner
Because b&b is selling a ton of them at $1200 and it is nice materials polished hand crafted in the us. You can get a similar system from eBay for $700 that was welded by a Chinese boy and uses crap material.
manufacturing is expensive.
manufacturing is expensive.
09-22-2016, 02:17 PM
#10
Team Owner
Just keep checking the classifieds here...there's always a good deal that pops up on an aftermarket system. That's how I got my practically new Fusions for several hundreds less than what they go for. Also, yes you can easily fab your own system if you're handy and you don't care about eliminating the stock bi-mode exhaust valve feature. There's options out there...just need to be patient. LG and Stainless Works make some of the most (quality) budget friendly axle back systems out there for our cars IMO...but you're still at about a grand.
09-22-2016, 02:35 PM
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Here is the real reason -
To make each system, (New Model) it costs about $25k to
Research/Design/Test/Promote/Payroll/and the hundred other things
that need to be done.
If there are 300,000 cars on the road you have to sell 82 to
even make a profit.
If there are only 15,000 cars on the road you have to still sell 82 to
break even. which is a much tougher thing to do.
So basically with higher volume, you can have a lower Gross Profit
because you will sell more units. With less volume, you need a higher
Gross Profit because you will sell less units.
Put it this way - We sell 17 regular exhaust systems for every 1 Z06/ZR1 that we sell.
Regards
Chip
To make each system, (New Model) it costs about $25k to
Research/Design/Test/Promote/Payroll/and the hundred other things
that need to be done.
If there are 300,000 cars on the road you have to sell 82 to
even make a profit.
If there are only 15,000 cars on the road you have to still sell 82 to
break even. which is a much tougher thing to do.
So basically with higher volume, you can have a lower Gross Profit
because you will sell more units. With less volume, you need a higher
Gross Profit because you will sell less units.
Put it this way - We sell 17 regular exhaust systems for every 1 Z06/ZR1 that we sell.
Regards
Chip
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09-22-2016, 02:47 PM
#12
Here is the real reason -
To make each system, (New Model) it costs about $25k to
Research/Design/Test/Promote/Payroll/and the hundred other things
that need to be done.
If there are 300,000 cars on the road you have to sell 82 to
even make a profit.
If there are only 15,000 cars on the road you have to still sell 82 to
break even. which is a much tougher thing to do.
So basically with higher volume, you can have a lower Gross Profit
because you will sell more units. With less volume, you need a higher
Gross Profit because you will sell less units.
Put it this way - We sell 17 regular exhaust systems for every 1 Z06/ZR1 that we sell.
Regards
Chip
To make each system, (New Model) it costs about $25k to
Research/Design/Test/Promote/Payroll/and the hundred other things
that need to be done.
If there are 300,000 cars on the road you have to sell 82 to
even make a profit.
If there are only 15,000 cars on the road you have to still sell 82 to
break even. which is a much tougher thing to do.
So basically with higher volume, you can have a lower Gross Profit
because you will sell more units. With less volume, you need a higher
Gross Profit because you will sell less units.
Put it this way - We sell 17 regular exhaust systems for every 1 Z06/ZR1 that we sell.
Regards
Chip
Here is the real reason:
You get more pipe... 3" in diameter
09-22-2016, 03:44 PM
#13
Race Director
Because they can and because of low volume.
I chose the B&B Fusion III Extremes to go with my HCIE build. I get tremendous comments on the sound (Unreal bought his after hearing mine), but I can close the valves and cruise comfortably on the highway. I have owned B&B systems before and know they are quality. If you want cheap, the OEM system is very good and with the $300 muffler mod you can get some additional great sound.
You have choices, vote with your wallet.
I chose the B&B Fusion III Extremes to go with my HCIE build. I get tremendous comments on the sound (Unreal bought his after hearing mine), but I can close the valves and cruise comfortably on the highway. I have owned B&B systems before and know they are quality. If you want cheap, the OEM system is very good and with the $300 muffler mod you can get some additional great sound.
You have choices, vote with your wallet.
09-22-2016, 04:38 PM
#14
Safety Car
Supply and demand.
People pay it.
People pay it.
09-23-2016, 09:10 AM
#16
CCA hit the nail on the head here.
I didn't see the value in paying for that either so here's what I did:
$300 on muffler mod at my preferred local vette shop
$650 on used LG super pros that came up locally in the dead of winter
$550 to install the headers
$50 on a M2W switch
Result is way louder/mean sounding with a great tone (subjective I guess), and no drone/a bit more discreet with the M2W. Oh and a few more HP than an axle back
I didn't see the value in paying for that either so here's what I did:
$300 on muffler mod at my preferred local vette shop
$650 on used LG super pros that came up locally in the dead of winter
$550 to install the headers
$50 on a M2W switch
Result is way louder/mean sounding with a great tone (subjective I guess), and no drone/a bit more discreet with the M2W. Oh and a few more HP than an axle back
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09-23-2016, 11:51 AM
#17
Le Mans Master
you get what u pay for. Add on the Corvette tax and your screwed. You wanna play you gotta pay etc etc etc
09-23-2016, 01:56 PM
#18
This is why I have stuck with the modified stock. Didn't see the value in paying the additional cost for marginal hp increase and marginally(subjective) sound increase/difference.
09-23-2016, 04:17 PM
#19
Instructor
Here is the real reason -
To make each system, (New Model) it costs about $25k to
Research/Design/Test/Promote/Payroll/and the hundred other things
that need to be done.
If there are 300,000 cars on the road you have to sell 82 to
even make a profit.
If there are only 15,000 cars on the road you have to still sell 82 to
break even. which is a much tougher thing to do.
So basically with higher volume, you can have a lower Gross Profit
because you will sell more units. With less volume, you need a higher
Gross Profit because you will sell less units.
Put it this way - We sell 17 regular exhaust systems for every 1 Z06/ZR1 that we sell.
Regards
Chip
To make each system, (New Model) it costs about $25k to
Research/Design/Test/Promote/Payroll/and the hundred other things
that need to be done.
If there are 300,000 cars on the road you have to sell 82 to
even make a profit.
If there are only 15,000 cars on the road you have to still sell 82 to
break even. which is a much tougher thing to do.
So basically with higher volume, you can have a lower Gross Profit
because you will sell more units. With less volume, you need a higher
Gross Profit because you will sell less units.
Put it this way - We sell 17 regular exhaust systems for every 1 Z06/ZR1 that we sell.
Regards
Chip
For reference just doing a quick search on Borla Exhausts you can get a 2 muffler system for a Honda Accord for $707 MSRP, $861 MSRP for a Mustang, and the Z06 is $1,576 MSRP. The same research and development probably went into each of these along with probably the same materials but each is priced to what people will pay. Be thankful you don't own a porsche. Similar mufflers for a porsche are around $3,700 MSRP.
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09-23-2016, 05:08 PM
#20
Don't buy that. I have bought nationally known cat back systems from the most well known of vendors for that model ( which sold a hell of a lot less than the corvette z06) for less than 1K.
When I first got my Z I looked into cat back systems and couldn't believe the costs---so still have my oem one and plan on keeping it a while. The market will keep selling as is until people start not buying them.
When I first got my Z I looked into cat back systems and couldn't believe the costs---so still have my oem one and plan on keeping it a while. The market will keep selling as is until people start not buying them.