Will C7 be part of the 2 Second Club?
08-27-2012, 01:11 PM
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I know the ideal of using 0-60 as a measuring stick but in reality, 99.999% of drivers are not going to dump it and launch that hard. For me personally, I like the idea of it taking skill to launch it & smoking the tires. It is not as fun to me to have AWD & chirp the tires.
The fact is no one races their street car for a living. It is takes you a few seconds to make a lap is pretty much irreverent. It is more about the thrill of driving a car & being able to master it, as least for me. The last thing in the world I want is an AWD, computer driven car that prevents me from making mistakes.
If we really wanted improved track times, they could program in the perfect inputs for most race tracks in America & the driver simply pretends to drive.
The fact is no one races their street car for a living. It is takes you a few seconds to make a lap is pretty much irreverent. It is more about the thrill of driving a car & being able to master it, as least for me. The last thing in the world I want is an AWD, computer driven car that prevents me from making mistakes.
If we really wanted improved track times, they could program in the perfect inputs for most race tracks in America & the driver simply pretends to drive.
Dont take this as a bash, just a fact. I love hearing all the 911 guys saying how other cars "drive themselves"( we all know which car they are talking about), yet at the same time driving a car that, except for the extensive computer management of traction, and vector control, and stability control, would make their otherwise intitially poorly engineered car outright lethal. Management is safer and here to stay forever.
08-27-2012, 09:38 PM
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I have a copy of the Excel spreadsheet that calculates those 0-60 times if anybody wants it, PM me your e-mail. FWIW my 422rwhp C5 did a 2.89 and that's with a shift.
Well said, I agree
I drive with no nannies on including disabled ABS as I feel it makes me a better driver and helps to better learn the limits and capabilities of the car. Video games are for people who aren't realist imho
I know the ideal of using 0-60 as a measuring stick but in reality, 99.999% of drivers are not going to dump it and launch that hard. For me personally, I like the idea of it taking skill to launch it & smoking the tires. It is not as fun to me to have AWD & chirp the tires.
The fact is no one races their street car for a living. It is takes you a few seconds to make a lap is pretty much irreverent. It is more about the thrill of driving a car & being able to master it, as least for me. The last thing in the world I want is an AWD, computer driven car that prevents me from making mistakes.
If we really wanted improved track times, they could program in the perfect inputs for most race tracks in America & the driver simply pretends to drive.
The fact is no one races their street car for a living. It is takes you a few seconds to make a lap is pretty much irreverent. It is more about the thrill of driving a car & being able to master it, as least for me. The last thing in the world I want is an AWD, computer driven car that prevents me from making mistakes.
If we really wanted improved track times, they could program in the perfect inputs for most race tracks in America & the driver simply pretends to drive.
So you just routinely drive around with NO electronic nannies of any kind active on the car? All cars now, even the Viper, have electronic management because otherwise it is dangerous. The days of controlling the car "yourself" are over. It is mandated and the right thing to do.
Dont take this as a bash, just a fact. I love hearing all the 911 guys saying how other cars "drive themselves"( we all know which car they are talking about), yet at the same time driving a car that, except for the extensive computer management of traction, and vector control, and stability control, would make their otherwise intitially poorly engineered car outright lethal. Management is safer and here to stay forever.
Dont take this as a bash, just a fact. I love hearing all the 911 guys saying how other cars "drive themselves"( we all know which car they are talking about), yet at the same time driving a car that, except for the extensive computer management of traction, and vector control, and stability control, would make their otherwise intitially poorly engineered car outright lethal. Management is safer and here to stay forever.
08-27-2012, 09:54 PM
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I have a copy of the Excel spreadsheet that calculates those 0-60 times if anybody wants it, PM me your e-mail. FWIW my 422rwhp C5 did a 2.89 and that's with a shift.
Well said, I agree
I drive with no nannies on including disabled ABS as I feel it makes me a better driver and helps to better learn the limits and capabilities of the car. Video games are for people who aren't realist imho
Well said, I agree
I drive with no nannies on including disabled ABS as I feel it makes me a better driver and helps to better learn the limits and capabilities of the car. Video games are for people who aren't realist imho
08-27-2012, 10:37 PM
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So you just routinely drive around with NO electronic nannies of any kind active on the car? All cars now, even the Viper, have electronic management because otherwise it is dangerous. The days of controlling the car "yourself" are over. It is mandated and the right thing to do.
Dont take this as a bash, just a fact. I love hearing all the 911 guys saying how other cars "drive themselves"( we all know which car they are talking about), yet at the same time driving a car that, except for the extensive computer management of traction, and vector control, and stability control, would make their otherwise intitially poorly engineered car outright lethal. Management is safer and here to stay forever.
Dont take this as a bash, just a fact. I love hearing all the 911 guys saying how other cars "drive themselves"( we all know which car they are talking about), yet at the same time driving a car that, except for the extensive computer management of traction, and vector control, and stability control, would make their otherwise intitially poorly engineered car outright lethal. Management is safer and here to stay forever.
Less nannies the better. Less crap to go wrong mechanically.
09-01-2012, 09:44 PM
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My 2000 Miata doesn't have traction control, launch control, or abs. My FRC is a '99 so it doesn't have the full enchilada either. My 2000 coupe, I drove 90% of the time with the nannies turned off. That was with 580hp. This FRC with 830ish hp, I leave what nannies it has on, but only because she's sooooo easy to get sideways into the triple digits.
Less nannies the better. Less crap to go wrong mechanically.
Less nannies the better. Less crap to go wrong mechanically.
Sequential manual gearbox is also inhumanely fast at shifting, I'd take one if available for the vette
09-01-2012, 10:21 PM
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09-01-2012, 10:32 PM
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09-01-2012, 11:22 PM
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0-60 in less than 3 sec, for cars other than the Bugatti, are an exercise in engineering. I doubt you can start with a RWD Corvette and a manual transmission and get to 60 in less than 3 sec. If you did, it would make for a very tall first gear requiring no manual shifts in the process. I would think Corvette's lap times around the "Ring" are more important. Your starting to see more C6s in Germany and there are now German tuning shops specializing in Corvettes. I doubt it that was influenced by 0-60 or even 1/4 mile times. I would think that GMs focus on the "Ring" is driving a lot of sales.
Im sure Viper will go to Germany and set a new record, then GM will respond. The 911, GTR, and Viper "Ring" times are what keep GM working feverishly to improve performance and handling. All of the performance and handling goodies from the ZR1, have filtered down the line up, making each offering more competitive.
The day GM quits Germany is the day I start worrying about the Corvette!
Im sure Viper will go to Germany and set a new record, then GM will respond. The 911, GTR, and Viper "Ring" times are what keep GM working feverishly to improve performance and handling. All of the performance and handling goodies from the ZR1, have filtered down the line up, making each offering more competitive.
The day GM quits Germany is the day I start worrying about the Corvette!
09-01-2012, 11:56 PM
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09-02-2012, 08:01 AM
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09-02-2012, 11:08 AM
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I didn't say the Vette has ever been about drag racing. Besides, you don't get 0-60 times on your time slip.
The reason 0-60 times are illustrative to me is because they represent the objective performance number that best represents something that is usable when driving on public roads in a manner that might not result in getting a ticket, loss of your driver's license, physical damage to myself/others, or going to prison.
The reason 0-60 times are illustrative to me is because they represent the objective performance number that best represents something that is usable when driving on public roads in a manner that might not result in getting a ticket, loss of your driver's license, physical damage to myself/others, or going to prison.
