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Old 08-30-2012, 04:50 PM
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I am curious, who is the GM person (persons?) who had the final say on the design of the C7? Didn't these players change since the C6 announcement. I'll be curious to see "whose "BABY" this is.
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Well, while there is no thing as 'the man' anymore, the closest would be Ed Welburn. He has vowed that Lutz's innovations will be continued.


..but again, it isn't like it used to be anymore. The C5 brought in a whole new "Voice of the Customer" group think approach. That is why the C5 looks like a Pontiac, I'd guess.

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Originally Posted by BlueOx
Well, while there is no thing as 'the man' anymore, the closest would be Ed Welburn. He has vowed that Lutz's innovations will be continued.


..but again, it isn't like it used to be anymore. The C5 brought in a whole new "Voice of the Customer" group think approach. That is why the C5 looks like a Pontiac, I'd guess.
The C5 looks like a Pontiac?!?!

I wasn't aware of this. Is anyone else aware of this? I could have sworn my C5s have all looked like Chevys.

I'm so confused.
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
The C5 looks like a Pontiac?!?!

I wasn't aware of this. Is anyone else aware of this? I could have sworn my C5s have all looked like Chevys.

I'm so confused.
It's lacking the moustache to be a Pontiac.

Blue Ox should take a well deserved rest.
Old 08-31-2012, 08:40 AM
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Remember when Bob Lutz was with GM and allegedly he said " that is not the next Corvette " when he was looking at a prototype C6 ?

I was always curious of what the prototype looked like a what he wanted changed.
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
The C5 looks like a Pontiac?!?!

I wasn't aware of this. Is anyone else aware of this? I could have sworn my C5s have all looked like Chevys.

I'm so confused.
Don't be confused. A lot of people complained about it...the Chief Designer of the C5 also designed the Pontiac Fiero.

I quote from Tom Peters, Chief Designer of the C6 and now GM Performance Design Director...
"The C5 was kind of split-grilled, and we realized that there was criticism of that as being too Pontiac-like. Looking at older Corvettes, they all had a center-port opening and I wanted to get back to that. Lo and behold, that worked out great for the race team."
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
Don't be confused. A lot of people complained about it...the Chief Designer of the C5 also designed the Pontiac Fiero.

I quote from Tom Peters, Chief Designer of the C6 and now GM Performance Design Director...
"The C5 was kind of split-grilled, and we realized that there was criticism of that as being too Pontiac-like. Looking at older Corvettes, they all had a center-port opening and I wanted to get back to that. Lo and behold, that worked out great for the race team."
C4 Corvettes had nearly identical split grill bumper designs. So did C3s.




Sorry, but that argument is BS.

When I look at a 4th Gen Camaro, I see a Corvette - minus the flip up headlights.

When I look at the 4th Gen Firebird, I don't see Corvette at all.

There's nothing Pontiac about the design. So I don't get where that's coming from.
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
The C5 looks like a Pontiac?!?!

I wasn't aware of this. Is anyone else aware of this? I could have sworn my C5s have all looked like Chevys.

I'm so confused.


Never heard that and don't agree with it either.
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Originally Posted by SCM_Crash
C4 Corvettes had nearly identical split grill bumper designs. So did C3s.

Sorry, but that argument is BS.

When I look at a 4th Gen Camaro, I see a Corvette - minus the flip up headlights.

When I look at the 4th Gen Firebird, I don't see Corvette at all.

There's nothing Pontiac about the design. So I don't get where that's coming from.
Go argue with Tom Peters. I don't recall him mentioning the C4 or C3.

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Originally Posted by BlueOx
Go argue with Tom Peters. I don't recall him mentioning the C4 or C3.
Are the C3 and C4 older Corvettes then the C5?

Peters said "Looking at older Corvettes".
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
Are the C3 and C4 older Corvettes then the C5?

Peters said "Looking at older Corvettes".
Maybe he meant these older Corvettes...



Either way, I have always seen a Pontiac look to the C5 and that is why I've never cared for them. Great car, just not a look I liked.
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
Don't be confused. A lot of people complained about it...the Chief Designer of the C5 also designed the Pontiac Fiero.

I quote from Tom Peters, Chief Designer of the C6 and now GM Performance Design Director...
"The C5 was kind of split-grilled, and we realized that there was criticism of that as being too Pontiac-like. Looking at older Corvettes, they all had a center-port opening and I wanted to get back to that. Lo and behold, that worked out great for the race team."
It looks like you took care of finding the page for that quote. Could you please give the citation? We gotta read this thing.
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Originally Posted by Nitrous Oxide
It looks like you took care of finding the page for that quote. Could you please give the citation? We gotta read this thing.
Alright. Never mind. I found it. Well that's a weird statement.
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Originally Posted by Nitrous Oxide
It looks like you took care of finding the page for that quote. Could you please give the citation? We gotta read this thing.
It is from an extensive interview about the C6 design in "Corvette - Sports Car Superstar" a book about all 6 generations to date. ISBN#1-4127-1222-X, page 381.
I'll save you the trouble of looking it up...middle column, first paragraph.
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
It is from an extensive interview about the C6 design in "Corvette - Sports Car Superstar" a book about all 6 generations to date. ISBN#1-4127-1222-X, page 381.
I'll save you the trouble of looking it up...middle column, first paragraph.
Yep, that's where I found it. Sorry for the trouble.
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Originally Posted by Nitrous Oxide
Alright. Never mind. I found it. Well that's a weird statement.
Why is it a weird statement? Seems pretty obvious to me. Clearly they were getting complaints and he merely states that was the case.
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
That is why the C5 looks like a Pontiac, I'd guess.


The C5 looks like a Pontiac?? I guess that means the C6 "narrow body" looks like a Pontiac because those two cars look very similar to me. To me the C5 and C6 are two of the best corvette design yet!

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You know what. The more I look at C5 pictures, the more I can see it. But it's a stretch, to me. I rarely think about Pontiacs, maybe that's why it never struck me.
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ok.............what's a pony ack?

(just kidding)
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Originally Posted by Joni Lynn
ok.............what's a pony ack?

(just kidding)
Hey! That's funny.

It probably helps that I was surrounded with people from the deep south in a previous life.

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