If the C7 is 10% lighter than the C6...
#21
Team Owner
ET might come close, trap speed will favor the car with more power. I had a Z06, don't anymore. But I don't know why I'd be pissed as someone mentioned. Maybe he thinks that the owners of Blue Flame sixes still haven't gotten over V8's being put in Corvettes.
#22
Team Owner
No. Some people here swear it did, but it did not. Similar horsepower does not mean equal performance. Not even with the Z51 package. The LS3 helped narrow the gap though.
The C6 Grand Sport is probably the closest non-Z C6 competitor for the C5 Z06. Their performance numbers are about equal. The C5 Z is very impressive for a 10 year old car.
The C6 Grand Sport is probably the closest non-Z C6 competitor for the C5 Z06. Their performance numbers are about equal. The C5 Z is very impressive for a 10 year old car.
#24
Team Owner
You can bet your ***, C6 Z06 owners will be pissed. BUT, I don't think they have anything to worry about. Now the 427 convertible, that is another story, it better not be to cocky when a C7 Coupe pulls up beside it.
#25
Burning Brakes
it will definitely be lighter than a base C6 but some of you guys that are thinking lighter than a C6 Z06 are crazy, and if it is, it better be a crap load lighter to out perform it on a track, given the HP/ tq numbers we know. I just don't see it, but hey anything can happen this day and age. I will say the C7 will probably be a better driving car than the C6 Z06 but just not a better performer. Could be really close, It will be interesting when the Nurburgring lap times are done . That will be the true test in my book.
#26
I have a z06 and not planning on getting a c7 right away , why would I be pissed ? I'm sure the c7 will be spectacular and all but unless they come out with a c7 zo6 I'm sure on the track I can hang with a base c7 if not whip it's azz (depending on the driver) or the quarter mile . That's my opinion
#27
Actually, there's not much difference in weight. These numbers are straight from Chevrolet's website:
2013 Corvette Coupe 1LT weighs 3,225 pounds
2013 Corvette Z06 1LZ weights 3,175 pounds
So, assuming Car and Driver is correct on the C7 specs (all Carbon Fiber body panels, Aluminum frame, Carbon Fiber floorboards), it is very possible the base C7 will be a good deal lighter than a Z06.
Jimmy
2013 Corvette Coupe 1LT weighs 3,225 pounds
2013 Corvette Z06 1LZ weights 3,175 pounds
So, assuming Car and Driver is correct on the C7 specs (all Carbon Fiber body panels, Aluminum frame, Carbon Fiber floorboards), it is very possible the base C7 will be a good deal lighter than a Z06.
Jimmy
I think some members are seeing the world thru the C7 rose colored glasses. The C6Z is a devastatingly fast car and already pretty short on weight. It's got more displacement and easily more power than the C7 will.
I fall in to the "reasonable" crowd who think the C7 will fall between the C6 and C6Z performance wise.
#28
Melting Slicks
Some of you people assume that the entire self-worth of every corvette owner is somehow, ridiculously, intertwined with not being outdone/outrun/outclassed. Some of us are beyond the physical and mental age of 18... I EXPECT the C7 in some form to trump the C6 Z06 and ZR1 (and I own a C6Z). If the base C7 can keep up with a C6 Z06, great! That demonstrates progress and will ensure the corvette remains an incredible bargain for the performance.
As for weight - I suspect the new vette will be very close to 3000 lbs because it will be slightly smaller. Take a look at the unlocked video as of today. The new frame has slightly different proportions when you look at the front, midsection, and rear. The rear part of the frame where the hydroformed rails are again narrower appears to be shorter in length. I suspect this may indicate a slightly smaller car.
As for weight - I suspect the new vette will be very close to 3000 lbs because it will be slightly smaller. Take a look at the unlocked video as of today. The new frame has slightly different proportions when you look at the front, midsection, and rear. The rear part of the frame where the hydroformed rails are again narrower appears to be shorter in length. I suspect this may indicate a slightly smaller car.
#29
Le Mans Master
C4 ZR-1. That's their modus operandi. Then they slowly pull away.
C7 base may very well be same hp/lb ratio a C6 Z. But the lighter car will always run better simply due to lower MASS.
I have been communicating w a power train guy on a different forum. He does WOT tuning for the Corvette and says "hang on to your hats".
Hype? He sounds pretty enthusiastic.
#30
Burning Brakes
Will the new Base C7 outperform the Ferrari 458 Italia? Fat chance, but the Z06 will and then some. Will the Base C7 outperform the new Viper? Not likely, but the old dinosaur ZR1 will, and Z06 with Z07 options would most likely hang with it.
Just sayin.
#31
Burning Brakes
No. Some people here swear it did, but it did not. Similar horsepower does not mean equal performance. Not even with the Z51 package. The LS3 helped narrow the gap though.
The C6 Grand Sport is probably the closest non-Z C6 competitor for the C5 Z06. Their performance numbers are about equal. The C5 Z is very impressive for a 10 year old car.
The C6 Grand Sport is probably the closest non-Z C6 competitor for the C5 Z06. Their performance numbers are about equal. The C5 Z is very impressive for a 10 year old car.
#32
Burning Brakes
The Ferrari 458 Italia has a Newer Transmission (7-speed twin clutch paddle shift), and more horse power, but for some reason it's still slower than a Z06. Oh, and it gets much worse fuel economy.
#33
Le Mans Master
Why would C6Z guys be ticked? Eight model years of a great run plus mopping the floor with almost everything since 2005. The first exotic fighter C4 ZR-1 met the same fate. The cycle continues. I don't believe the "no more 427s" quotes. Too much marketing potential and excitement to ignore it. GM has been saying "yes we can" to the masses saying, "no they can't" since the LT5.
I specifically remember Dave Hill saying that the 427 displacement was purely coincidence......uh huh.
I specifically remember Dave Hill saying that the 427 displacement was purely coincidence......uh huh.
#34
C6Z owner - Wouldn't be pissed at all. I expect the car to continue to evolve, that is progress and I welcome it. I have high hopes for the C7, one could be in my garage.
I'm sure there are more reasons, but off the top of my head...
1.) New cars don't change the performance of my car. Its the same and impressive as it ever was.
2.) I paid significantly less for my C6Z than it would have cost to get me into even a no-frills base C7 and won't be hit nearly as hard by depreciation.
3.) I've been able to drive a car long before the C7 announcement, let alone availability.
4.) The LS7/7.0L/427 is pretty special and while its unclear if it'll come back again, if it does, it certainly won't be in a base C7.
I'm sure there are more reasons, but off the top of my head...
1.) New cars don't change the performance of my car. Its the same and impressive as it ever was.
2.) I paid significantly less for my C6Z than it would have cost to get me into even a no-frills base C7 and won't be hit nearly as hard by depreciation.
3.) I've been able to drive a car long before the C7 announcement, let alone availability.
4.) The LS7/7.0L/427 is pretty special and while its unclear if it'll come back again, if it does, it certainly won't be in a base C7.
#35
Melting Slicks
Actually, there's not much difference in weight. These numbers are straight from Chevrolet's website:
2013 Corvette Coupe 1LT weighs 3,225 pounds
2013 Corvette Z06 1LZ weights 3,175 pounds
So, assuming Car and Driver is correct on the C7 specs (all Carbon Fiber body panels, Aluminum frame, Carbon Fiber floorboards), it is very possible the base C7 will be a good deal lighter than a Z06.
Jimmy
2013 Corvette Coupe 1LT weighs 3,225 pounds
2013 Corvette Z06 1LZ weights 3,175 pounds
So, assuming Car and Driver is correct on the C7 specs (all Carbon Fiber body panels, Aluminum frame, Carbon Fiber floorboards), it is very possible the base C7 will be a good deal lighter than a Z06.
Jimmy
#36
FWIW to get to the same power to weight as a C6Z, a 3,000 pound C7 needs 481 HP, a 2,800 can do it with about 455.
This of course totally leaves out the fact that the C7 will not have any rear tires close to what the C6Z has.
This of course totally leaves out the fact that the C7 will not have any rear tires close to what the C6Z has.
#37
Melting Slicks
Sure it could be lighter, but if the C7 has 470 HP it's going to need to be 350 pounds lighter. If it's 450HP it's going to need a 550 pound weight advantage.
I think some members are seeing the world thru the C7 rose colored glasses. The C6Z is a devastatingly fast car and already pretty short on weight. It's got more displacement and easily more power than the C7 will.
I fall in to the "reasonable" crowd who think the C7 will fall between the C6 and C6Z performance wise.
I think some members are seeing the world thru the C7 rose colored glasses. The C6Z is a devastatingly fast car and already pretty short on weight. It's got more displacement and easily more power than the C7 will.
I fall in to the "reasonable" crowd who think the C7 will fall between the C6 and C6Z performance wise.
#39
Drifting
Thread Starter
Lots of C6Z owners will not be pissed, but then there are some that will be, the same types who argue profusely on the "C7 faster with E85" thread or the ones who post in anger that the GS was made with similar body to the Z06 but for less cost.
#40
Melting Slicks
10% reduction is -320lbs, C7 2900 lbs at 465hp = 6.23 that beats a 2013 Z06 3175 lbs at 505hp for 6.28 lbs per hp.