If the C7 is 10% lighter than the C6...
01-10-2013, 07:06 PM
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01-10-2013, 07:15 PM
#44
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Tons and tons of them.
01-10-2013, 07:21 PM
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Furthermore, 458 italia owns even the zr1))) so yeah))
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01-10-2013, 07:34 PM
#46
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My bet would be that "if" the C6Z is faster than the C7, it will be no more than 1 to 2 tenths of a second faster. I would suspect that the C7 will be faster to 100 or 120 than the C6 Z due in large part to the new transmission. My suspicion is that 5th and 6th gear will be much more usable on the C7. I also would expect that the updated/more advanced traction control will help to mitigate the tire size difference. In summery, between the lower weight and higher HP of the base model combined with the new transmission and better traction control, the C7 should be on par performance wise with the C6Z even if the C6Z has more power than the base C7. Like I said, if the C6Z is faster in 0-60, it will damn close and damn near neglidgeable.
That said, all this faster mumbo jumbo is just that. While the C6 Corvette boasts very nice 0-60 times, it was never designed to be a stop light racer inspite of the fact that it does do it well. It was designed in large part with track in mind and I would expect the same from the C7. Most of you guys worrying about it being faster than the C6Z seem to be more concerned about who gets to the next stoplight first which is kind of silly in my opinion. For me, my bigger concern is about the handling which I expect to be stellar on the C7 and I also expect much more potential in that department over the C6. I for one like the canyons. Sure it's fun to floor it up the freeway on ramp but I would much rather enjoy a very spirited drive through a fast canyon than wasting my tires away trying to accelerate as fast as I can.
As far as C6Z owners being pissed.. I own an 09 Z06 and I am nothing but excited about the C7. If the base model is faster than the C6Z, I will be just fine with it. Matter of fact, I will be rather happy because it means that my next car will trump my current one which happens to be not only the best car I have ever owned but also my favorite thus far.
That said, all this faster mumbo jumbo is just that. While the C6 Corvette boasts very nice 0-60 times, it was never designed to be a stop light racer inspite of the fact that it does do it well. It was designed in large part with track in mind and I would expect the same from the C7. Most of you guys worrying about it being faster than the C6Z seem to be more concerned about who gets to the next stoplight first which is kind of silly in my opinion. For me, my bigger concern is about the handling which I expect to be stellar on the C7 and I also expect much more potential in that department over the C6. I for one like the canyons. Sure it's fun to floor it up the freeway on ramp but I would much rather enjoy a very spirited drive through a fast canyon than wasting my tires away trying to accelerate as fast as I can.
As far as C6Z owners being pissed.. I own an 09 Z06 and I am nothing but excited about the C7. If the base model is faster than the C6Z, I will be just fine with it. Matter of fact, I will be rather happy because it means that my next car will trump my current one which happens to be not only the best car I have ever owned but also my favorite thus far.
01-10-2013, 08:12 PM
#47
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AHA, SURE)))) just watch the video baby))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDP7Pty8Qnw
Furthermore, 458 italia owns even the zr1))) so yeah))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFfzJH4e9tY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21spns5gK9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDP7Pty8Qnw
Furthermore, 458 italia owns even the zr1))) so yeah))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFfzJH4e9tY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21spns5gK9Y
How about this??
"Let's get this out of the way right now: The Z06 decimated the competition around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. The devilish Chevrolet, which showed up with 666 miles on the odometer, was more than a second faster around the track than the second-place Ferrari 458 Italia, and faster still than every other contender. No car was even close to the time laid down by the LS7-engined monster, despite the fact that the Fezza, the Lexus, the Audi, the Mercedes, and the Nissan all packed more horsepower."
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2HcnqYgT9
01-10-2013, 08:15 PM
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Fun to watch for sure. A single performance metric.
How about this??
"Let's get this out of the way right now: The Z06 decimated the competition around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. The devilish Chevrolet, which showed up with 666 miles on the odometer, was more than a second faster around the track than the second-place Ferrari 458 Italia, and faster still than every other contender. No car was even close to the time laid down by the LS7-engined monster, despite the fact that the Fezza, the Lexus, the Audi, the Mercedes, and the Nissan all packed more horsepower."
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2HcnqYgT9
How about this??
"Let's get this out of the way right now: The Z06 decimated the competition around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. The devilish Chevrolet, which showed up with 666 miles on the odometer, was more than a second faster around the track than the second-place Ferrari 458 Italia, and faster still than every other contender. No car was even close to the time laid down by the LS7-engined monster, despite the fact that the Fezza, the Lexus, the Audi, the Mercedes, and the Nissan all packed more horsepower."
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2HcnqYgT9
01-10-2013, 08:22 PM
#49
01-10-2013, 08:25 PM
#50
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My bet would be that "if" the C6Z is faster than the C7, it will be no more than 1 to 2 tenths of a second faster. I would suspect that the C7 will be faster to 100 or 120 than the C6 Z due in large part to the new transmission. My suspicion is that 5th and 6th gear will be much more usable on the C7. I also would expect that the updated/more advanced traction control will help to mitigate the tire size difference. In summery, between the lower weight and higher HP of the base model combined with the new transmission and better traction control, the C7 should be on par performance wise with the C6Z even if the C6Z has more power than the base C7. Like I said, if the C6Z is faster in 0-60, it will damn close and damn near neglidgeable.
That said, all this faster mumbo jumbo is just that. While the C6 Corvette boasts very nice 0-60 times, it was never designed to be a stop light racer inspite of the fact that it does do it well. It was designed in large part with track in mind and I would expect the same from the C7. Most of you guys worrying about it being faster than the C6Z seem to be more concerned about who gets to the next stoplight first which is kind of silly in my opinion. For me, my bigger concern is about the handling which I expect to be stellar on the C7 and I also expect much more potential in that department over the C6. I for one like the canyons. Sure it's fun to floor it up the freeway on ramp but I would much rather enjoy a very spirited drive through a fast canyon than wasting my tires away trying to accelerate as fast as I can.
As far as C6Z owners being pissed.. I own an 09 Z06 and I am nothing but excited about the C7. If the base model is faster than the C6Z, I will be just fine with it. Matter of fact, I will be rather happy because it means that my next car will trump my current one which happens to be not only the best car I have ever owned but also my favorite thus far.
That said, all this faster mumbo jumbo is just that. While the C6 Corvette boasts very nice 0-60 times, it was never designed to be a stop light racer inspite of the fact that it does do it well. It was designed in large part with track in mind and I would expect the same from the C7. Most of you guys worrying about it being faster than the C6Z seem to be more concerned about who gets to the next stoplight first which is kind of silly in my opinion. For me, my bigger concern is about the handling which I expect to be stellar on the C7 and I also expect much more potential in that department over the C6. I for one like the canyons. Sure it's fun to floor it up the freeway on ramp but I would much rather enjoy a very spirited drive through a fast canyon than wasting my tires away trying to accelerate as fast as I can.
As far as C6Z owners being pissed.. I own an 09 Z06 and I am nothing but excited about the C7. If the base model is faster than the C6Z, I will be just fine with it. Matter of fact, I will be rather happy because it means that my next car will trump my current one which happens to be not only the best car I have ever owned but also my favorite thus far.
Hopefully, 5th and 6th gears are more user friendly on the C7 vs the Z06. When I shift into 5th gear with my Z06 at 149 MPH, that .72:1 5th gear dosen't pull to hard. If I had the ZR1's 5th gear at .82:1 it would pull stronger all the way to 202 MPH before shifting to 6th gear. But, on the street neither a Z06 or a C7 will see 149 in 4th gear legally, and very few tracks allow you to hit that speed.
01-10-2013, 08:28 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
While those concerns surely apply to some, rest assured that most future C7 owners will be more than happy with how fast the C7 is in a straight line even if a car that costs 2-3x more is a fraction of a second faster 0-60.
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01-10-2013, 08:31 PM
#52
Race Director
01-10-2013, 08:35 PM
#53
Le Mans Master
C7 vs C6Z06 will be a repeat of C6 vs C5Z06.
The race will be close enough that a lot of people will say they're essentially the same.
And the comparison will be repeated enough that, for the next decade, owners of the older track-ready car will come out swinging with angry factoids and anecdotes proving their baby is NOT in fact beaten.
And the data will suggest that they're right, but to a slim enough degree that the newer car will be overwhelmingly acknowledged as the better street car.
And some will nod their heads sagely, and many will roll their eyes and mutter "this again?"
.Jinx
The race will be close enough that a lot of people will say they're essentially the same.
And the comparison will be repeated enough that, for the next decade, owners of the older track-ready car will come out swinging with angry factoids and anecdotes proving their baby is NOT in fact beaten.
And the data will suggest that they're right, but to a slim enough degree that the newer car will be overwhelmingly acknowledged as the better street car.
And some will nod their heads sagely, and many will roll their eyes and mutter "this again?"
.Jinx
01-10-2013, 08:35 PM
#54
Le Mans Master
01-10-2013, 08:39 PM
#55
Melting Slicks
01-10-2013, 08:47 PM
#56
Melting Slicks
How can you say the C7 will be faster to 100 or 120 if you don't know the gear ratios in the new transmission. For all you know, 1st through 4th could be geared the same as a Z06, and they just added another overdrive gear placed between 4th and 5th. The gear ratios have not been released yet, so you can't claim better gearing up to 100 or 120.
Hopefully, 5th and 6th gears are more user friendly on the C7 vs the Z06. When I shift into 5th gear with my Z06 at 149 MPH, that .72:1 5th gear dosen't pull to hard. If I had the ZR1's 5th gear at .82:1 it would pull stronger all the way to 202 MPH before shifting to 6th gear. But, on the street neither a Z06 or a C7 will see 149 in 4th gear legally, and very few tracks allow you to hit that speed.
Hopefully, 5th and 6th gears are more user friendly on the C7 vs the Z06. When I shift into 5th gear with my Z06 at 149 MPH, that .72:1 5th gear dosen't pull to hard. If I had the ZR1's 5th gear at .82:1 it would pull stronger all the way to 202 MPH before shifting to 6th gear. But, on the street neither a Z06 or a C7 will see 149 in 4th gear legally, and very few tracks allow you to hit that speed.
To quote myself, I said I would "expect". That would imply a bit of speculation and I do think that is a reasonable assumption. The C6Z has a great first gear and I would hope they retain similar gearing from 1-3 however, I do think that with the advent of 7 forward gears, there is room to improve on gears 2-6 with 7 being the overdrive. I certainly don't think that they are building this car with a 210-220MPH top speed. I think it's reasonable to assume that they would keep the ratio between all gears at least up to 6th gear to be such that they improve upon power to the ground while gear 7 will be used primarily to improve highway milage. If their target top speed is similar to that of the C6, than its safe to assume that the new transmission will be geared with performance in mind as the first priority and fuel efficiency improvement being the second priority.
01-10-2013, 08:56 PM
#57
01-10-2013, 08:58 PM
#58
Race Director
C6 z06 will just slightly beat performance pack c7.
Take that to the bank. The c6 z06 will be quicker
Take that to the bank. The c6 z06 will be quicker
01-10-2013, 09:03 PM
#59
C7 vs C6Z06 will be a repeat of C6 vs C5Z06.
The race will be close enough that a lot of people will say they're essentially the same.
And the comparison will be repeated enough that, for the next decade, owners of the older track-ready car will come out swinging with angry factoids and anecdotes proving their baby is NOT in fact beaten.
And the data will suggest that they're right, but to a slim enough degree that the newer car will be overwhelmingly acknowledged as the better street car.
And some will nod their heads sagely, and many will roll their eyes and mutter "this again?"
.Jinx
The race will be close enough that a lot of people will say they're essentially the same.
And the comparison will be repeated enough that, for the next decade, owners of the older track-ready car will come out swinging with angry factoids and anecdotes proving their baby is NOT in fact beaten.
And the data will suggest that they're right, but to a slim enough degree that the newer car will be overwhelmingly acknowledged as the better street car.
And some will nod their heads sagely, and many will roll their eyes and mutter "this again?"
.Jinx
There has to be room at the table for a ZR1 or Z06 model C7. GM is going todo less with this car initially not more. People that think GM's intention with the C7 is to built a track car to go run against Ferrari's and Vipers are wrong. They are more interested in getting the shape, colors and interior right. The performance function is that of the purpose built ZR1 and Z06 cars.
01-10-2013, 09:04 PM
#60
Melting Slicks
