Less tech and more HP please!!
01-23-2013, 11:47 PM
#41
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Everyone keeps bringing up epa, cafe....
So are the 580hp ZL1, the 662hp Shelby, the 565hp Caddy immune to this?
I guess I dont understand!
All I know is before too long 4 door sedans will be putting out 450 if they are not already.
So are the 580hp ZL1, the 662hp Shelby, the 565hp Caddy immune to this?
I guess I dont understand!
All I know is before too long 4 door sedans will be putting out 450 if they are not already.
01-24-2013, 12:00 AM
#42
And there's a whole lot more to a car than ponies. If it were just ponies the ZL1 would stomp a ZO6 around any given track. And it can't beat the ZO anywhere, let alone a track.
And again none of those cars are base model cars. Their base models, sport in the 300 horse power range. And not a single one of them likely moves as much in volume in top trim as a base model vette will.
I'm more inclined to think GM lowballed the pony count until they could test the car. GT says the thing will wring out 460+ which is frankly more than enough on a Base Model Anything.
I mean if we're going to be comparing non base models to base models lets get really silly. The C7 will have over 150 more horse power than a base model Mustang, Camaro, or CTS. Does that help put it into perspective for you?
To also put it into perspective the C6R in the ALMS only carries 450 horsepower. That's the Top Dog in Road Racing.
01-24-2013, 12:02 AM
#43
Obviously those are not the base models of those cars. The performance model Corvette, when marketing dictates it be released, will be ???
01-24-2013, 01:28 AM
#44
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I dont care if you can or cant hook up 600 hp to the wheels, if it comes in at 450....it is a ****** number. The 67-69 L88 Vettes layed down 450 hp....this is 2013 and we have the same HP ??
You could not get L88's or other early 427s to hook up but what a blast and they were King Kong on the roads.....The C7 will not be feared!
You could not get L88's or other early 427s to hook up but what a blast and they were King Kong on the roads.....The C7 will not be feared!
But alas, the base engine in 1968, since we are talking about a base car, was a 327 rated at 300hp. Of course there were more engine choices in 1968 than we have color choices today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C3)
01-24-2013, 02:13 AM
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Seriously.
No... I'm pretty sure the engineers know that they don't need to keep up with the Jones' when it comes to power in order to beat the Jones'.
Maybe the MARKETING team thinks that, but the engineers are smarter than the marketing team.
I think the 45/450 in the base C7 will be good enough for most people, But not for me. I am sure the HI PO model will have well over 500hp. The team working on the C7 understands they have to keep up with the HP wars. Hell My V has close to 600 flywheel hp and close to 600tq with minor mods. I love the feeling it gives me when I push the gas. It kicks my GS ***..lol..I Could only imagine these HP/TQ numbers in the new C7.
Maybe the MARKETING team thinks that, but the engineers are smarter than the marketing team.
01-24-2013, 04:19 AM
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I agree with the OP. 450 HP and a 4 second 0-60 with a 12 second range quarter is just not competitive any more. We'll see when the production car comes out though ... Yes more to the Vette than straight line speed but 95% of owners never road track their cars ( I however did ) and want paper bragging rights. Bull**** like that sells cars.
01-24-2013, 04:31 AM
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Yeah, and those were big blocks which were 200 to 300lbs heavier than a given cast iron SBC (400 heavier than the LSX/ New LT family.)
They were also running Leaded Gasoline which is the equivalent of 113 octane, got a whopping 7 or 8 mpgs. Which means less time to enjoy the goodies under the hood, come track day.
The engines themselves were unreliable, and failure prone due to the imprecise fuel delivery system, especially at anything less than WOT. The cooling systems sucked ***** as well. The ignition system also sucked hard core, as it was pre electronic ignition.
Oh and to top it all off? That was Gross Horsepower, not Net (which means After all Accessories is on the engine) nor was it SAE certified HP. If you were to use 60s HP ratings, an L98 TPI would tip the scales at 320 horse power.
The cars themselves were piles of crap in everything but the aesthetics department and would Murder You should you even think about getting into anything more mild than a fender bender, the fiber glass quality was craptastic.
And the car's steering, braking and handling blew chunks.
Also, given GTs track record of nailing factory specs, the C7 is probably going to be abit north of 450, the figure GT5 has given us is 468 hp IIRC. And this is the Base Model car.
People that keep comparing to the GT500 also forget, Ford ain't going to sell 10k to 30k of those GT500s every year. I don't think they even build that many of them.
They were also running Leaded Gasoline which is the equivalent of 113 octane, got a whopping 7 or 8 mpgs. Which means less time to enjoy the goodies under the hood, come track day.
The engines themselves were unreliable, and failure prone due to the imprecise fuel delivery system, especially at anything less than WOT. The cooling systems sucked ***** as well. The ignition system also sucked hard core, as it was pre electronic ignition.
Oh and to top it all off? That was Gross Horsepower, not Net (which means After all Accessories is on the engine) nor was it SAE certified HP. If you were to use 60s HP ratings, an L98 TPI would tip the scales at 320 horse power.
The cars themselves were piles of crap in everything but the aesthetics department and would Murder You should you even think about getting into anything more mild than a fender bender, the fiber glass quality was craptastic.
And the car's steering, braking and handling blew chunks.
Also, given GTs track record of nailing factory specs, the C7 is probably going to be abit north of 450, the figure GT5 has given us is 468 hp IIRC. And this is the Base Model car.
People that keep comparing to the GT500 also forget, Ford ain't going to sell 10k to 30k of those GT500s every year. I don't think they even build that many of them.
After driving my father-in-law's mint '71, I don't think there's a base anything nowadays that won't make the ride of the vintage cars seem pitiful. The nostalgia factor is great but I'll stick with the C6 until the new one hits.
01-24-2013, 07:52 AM
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01-24-2013, 07:58 AM
#49
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BTW, don't forget there is a 1000 hp Mustang out there already!
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/27/s...ew-york-debut/
01-24-2013, 08:43 AM
#51
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I am not sure why you ACT(?) so clueless?
The ZR1 is the one that kicks the exotics butt.
GM has different models of Corvettes, the base C7 is not the competition of some of these cars you are talking about, that car will come in time.............you have complained about everything about this car so far, and now another ridiculous, lack of knowledge post(s). Please post the track numbers of this car that you are saying won't be at all competitive?
Haters gonna hate.
The ZR1 is the one that kicks the exotics butt.
GM has different models of Corvettes, the base C7 is not the competition of some of these cars you are talking about, that car will come in time.............you have complained about everything about this car so far, and now another ridiculous, lack of knowledge post(s). Please post the track numbers of this car that you are saying won't be at all competitive?
Haters gonna hate.
This thread was about more horsepower and all I have said in my post is until GM releases the high performance version it will not be a world class car. I have no doubt that this car will out perform the base C6 as well as the GS. We just have to wait for the C7 Z06, ZR1 or whatever they call it. That will be the car that they will use to compare Corvette to the world.
As far as you constant use of the Haters gonna hate I truly wish you would grow up and act a little more like an adult that phrase has to be so juvenile if that is possible.
01-24-2013, 08:47 AM
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The Corvette has always sold so well because it doesn't REALLY have any direct competitors.
To get something similar you pay much more (Granted you always get much more interior for your money). There is no direct 2 seat sports car in the 50k range that competes with Corvette. That's why it's successful. 400hp, 450hp....doesn't matter. If it's selling around 50k it will sell.
To get something similar you pay much more (Granted you always get much more interior for your money). There is no direct 2 seat sports car in the 50k range that competes with Corvette. That's why it's successful. 400hp, 450hp....doesn't matter. If it's selling around 50k it will sell.
01-24-2013, 09:15 AM
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I guess no one gets it!
I will hope and wait for the "Performance" version of the C7.
I will hope and wait for the "Performance" version of the C7.
01-24-2013, 09:18 AM
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01-24-2013, 09:23 AM
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I agree with the OP. 450 HP and a 4 second 0-60 with a 12 second range quarter is just not competitive any more. We'll see when the production car comes out though ... Yes more to the Vette than straight line speed but 95% of owners never road track their cars ( I however did ) and want paper bragging rights. Bull**** like that sells cars.
It's impossible to fully utilize even 400hp on the street without driving like an azzhat. But, marketing is what it is....
01-24-2013, 09:29 AM
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01-24-2013, 09:33 AM
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I agree with the OP. 450 HP and a 4 second 0-60 with a 12 second range quarter is just not competitive any more. We'll see when the production car comes out though ... Yes more to the Vette than straight line speed but 95% of owners never road track their cars ( I however did ) and want paper bragging rights. Bull**** like that sells cars.
Everyone says GM is going after the younger crowd....kids will get laughed at when they tell their buddies they got's 450HP !
01-24-2013, 09:35 AM
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01-24-2013, 09:54 AM
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I guess you get laughed at a lot because your car is 430hp?
Lord knows I can't keep the hecklers off me when they find out my LS2 only made 400hp stock.
How much would it have taken to not be laughed at? Are Z06's laughed at with 505?
I think we're also getting too caught up int he 450 number. That is NOT the official number. That's a placeholder until the actual numbers come out. Personally I believe it'll come in around 475.
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