pTr73

Hello,

I was wondering, GM has stated the C7 is a well engineered vehicle, its a lot more advanced than the C6. I believe it certainly is the more I read about it. I am sure the price will be slightly higher which is OK by me. There are a lot of new goodies on the new car... 7spd manual, 450+ hp, 0 - 60 in under 4 secs. Not to mention a refined interior. For the record I was not one of those whiners about the current interior either.

According to the nurburgring times the Z51 C6 did a 7:38 back in 2009. The 2012 C6 Z06 ran a 7:22. Does anyone expect the Z51 C7 to break into the 7:2x range? I mean if it even slightly beats the 2009 Z51 C6 then exactly how advanced is it? Yeah it has all the bells and whistles of a modern car but would that really justify the cost if it only runs slightly quicker than a C6? I am not bashing it or even speculating for that matter, just wanted some of you guys input on this point. I assume when GM tests (or if) they test it at the ring I would be pleased if it ran around a 7:30

Here is the web page I am making my references to:
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Nitrous Oxide

It was a ZR1, not a Z51.

b4i4getit

Do not make the mistake of equating advanced engineering with performance criteria. There are limits that will eventually be reached. Keep in mind that a Yamaha VMAX motorcycle will do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds which is much faster than any exotic supercar.

VRMMMM

7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51

speedlink

Yup

05dsom

have you seen the prices of the other cars on that list??
If it can run 7:30 that would put it in the company of cars costing $300K.
When comparing Ring (or leguna, VIR, hockenheim) times the American cars (C6 & C7 & Viper) and GT-R definitely "worth the money".

Kappa

It should be in the mid to low 7:30s IMO.

Much quicker than the 7:59 of the C6 Z51. The C6 GrandSport probably would land in the low 7:40s around the original stock C6Z. Tires are important.

Batman 357

The ZL1 certainly made a good showing.

HurricaneRN

lol!

racebum

tires have such a major impact on a track like that

the 7:59 of the z51 could be 7:49 pretty easily if you upgraded the tires

other thing is weight. have you guys looked at the cars that have ran the ring under 7 minutes?

you're into cars like the corvette looking 599xx

Nitrous Oxide

Assuming it was bone stock, it's an unfair comparison for the C6 Z51.

Plus, the driver was Dave Hill. I give him great credit for his engineering. As for his racing, I really dunno.

HurricaneRN

Not sure how realistic the simulators portray tire wear and graining but the ring is full of high speed corners and its hard just to keep tires under you sometimes.

Guibo

Is there any verified proof it was Dave Hill who drove that time? Chief engineers rarely drive for best lap times on the Nordschleife.

EDIT:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...rburgring.html

pTr73

Oops My bad! There was numerous ZR1, Z06 and a few Z51 entries I must have gotten them mixed up as I was scrolling.

So if the Z51 does it in 7:59 then the C7 should best it right?

Guibo

It has to be way better than that. If it's running close to Z06 times ,as GM says is happening at other tracks, then it'll be closer to a 7:35-7:40. This takes into account the C6Z's time being done over the full course, which generally adds about 5s vs today's timing method. Almost all times recorded today omit the ~200m stretch from the final corner to the new pit exit used by industry for staging laps.

gthal

I would be very happy if the C7 Z51 was sub 7:40 but I'm holding my breath. That would be a very meaningful improvement over the C6 Z51 and is a VERY respectable time for a "base" car. The Z06 version would then put up amazing numbers.

Nitrous Oxide

There's no doubt we'll see a better time. I wouldn't be surprised to see 7:49. But I don't know why anyone should trust me on that.

vette friend

The Z51 ran a 7:59. John Heinricy was the driver. Not sure if it was with a LS2 or LS3. Basically the tires on the C7 are the same size, mass close as well, increase of somewhere between 15 and 45 HP. If the C7 was 10 to 15 seconds faster I think that would be pretty darn good.

Blackdevil77

I'm hoping for 7:30ish. The ZL1 Camaro weighing over 4000 lbs did it in 7:41.

Nitrous Oxide

The torque curve and handling are much improved. And Michelin seems to claim that they have a couple of tricks we don't know about. That's why 10 seconds is probably not so unrealistic.