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Old 05-10-2013, 08:14 PM
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Did Tadge (or anyone at the bash) give an indication as to when HP rating would be released? (Approx) thank you
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Unfortunately, I didn't hear it and I don't recall anyone mentioning it.
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Lol, things you hear at at congressional hearing for $200 Alex.
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9:30!

Is that Mountain Time ??
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Originally Posted by michaelinmech
Is that Mountain Time ??
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I actually asked Harlan Charles that question during a one-on-one conversation with him. Harlan responded by saying that they were still working on determining what the final horsepower and torque numbers would be since the testing that determines those numbers was not yet complete. He stopped short of saying when the numbers would be announced.
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Originally Posted by mpuzach
I actually asked Harlan Charles that question during a one-on-one conversation with him. Harlan responded by saying that they were still working on determining what the final horsepower and torque numbers would be since the testing that determines those numbers was not yet complete. He stopped short of saying when the numbers would be announced.
Facinating. In order to meet the usual development schedules, the engines are presented for EPA tests about nine (9) months before the production cars hit the street. Must be a different development schedule. Or is it because GM is governmenmt owned and run by government appointed executives that GM has some sort of exemption? Or maybe Harlan didn't understand the question? Or maybe the cars will be sold without a HP rating?
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Originally Posted by I Bin Therbefor
Facinating. In order to meet the usual development schedules, the engines are presented for EPA tests about nine (9) months before the production cars hit the street. Must be a different development schedule. Or is it because GM is governmenmt owned and run by government appointed executives that GM has some sort of exemption? Or maybe Harlan didn't understand the question? Or maybe the cars will be sold without a HP rating?
Are EPA tests the same as SAE or are those two separate testings?
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I know you can only comment on certain things, I only want to know if anyone has given us an approximate release time for the numbers, if you can say... thank you
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Originally Posted by rcallen484
Are EPA tests the same as SAE or are those two separate testings?
These are two separate things. The CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) testing is what is driven by the EPA. This is a test that simulates running the vehicle under very specific conditions for a fixed duration and taking fuel economy data specific intervals. This is to set the MPG data. The CAFE results are taken across the entire manufacturers line to arrive at an average. All auto manufacturers are required to hit certain objectives across their model segments and meet an overall goal established by the government.

The SAE testing is a certification process done on an engine dyno and witnessed to determine the final horsepower number for the vehicle that can be published. Once documented, a manufacturer can only publish a number that is plus or minus 1% of the certified number.
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Originally Posted by AVETTE
I know you can only comment on certain things, I only want to know if anyone has given us an approximate release time for the numbers, if you can say... thank you
This is one of those things that I wouldn't be able to say anything about if I knew anything but in this case, I really don't have any information.
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Originally Posted by rcallen484
Are EPA tests the same as SAE or are those two separate testings?
Completely different tests. Sae is done on an engine dyno, epa tests are done with a car on a chassis dyno
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Originally Posted by I Bin Therbefor
Facinating. In order to meet the usual development schedules, the engines are presented for EPA tests about nine (9) months before the production cars hit the street. Must be a different development schedule. Or is it because GM is governmenmt owned and run by government appointed executives that GM has some sort of exemption? Or maybe Harlan didn't understand the question? Or maybe the cars will be sold without a HP rating?
Huh? Less than 20% is "government owned". And that is declining rapidly. Who are these government appointed exectives you speak of?
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Originally Posted by mpuzach
I actually asked Harlan Charles that question during a one-on-one conversation with him. Harlan responded by saying that they were still working on determining what the final horsepower and torque numbers would be since the testing that determines those numbers was not yet complete. He stopped short of saying when the numbers would be announced.
Originally Posted by I Bin Therbefor
Facinating. In order to meet the usual development schedules, the engines are presented for EPA tests about nine (9) months before the production cars hit the street. Must be a different development schedule. Or is it because GM is governmenmt owned and run by government appointed executives that GM has some sort of exemption? Or maybe Harlan didn't understand the question? Or maybe the cars will be sold without a HP rating?
I don't know what you're insinuating but it happened just the way I described. I had no reason to think that Harlan responded in any way other than 100% truthfully.
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EPA doesn't give a hoot about the advertised horsepower.

They only care about emissions and MPG.

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