How much is the new front end design influenced by Euro pedestrian crash laws?
#41
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Excellent point... instead of being flung up and over the car, now the deer will be collected in the center and cushioned by your hood so it can have a better chance of being alive when it crashes through your windshield and then proceeds to kick you to death... hooves are sharp. But what would silly nanny-state European legislators know about deer?
#42
Team Owner
Interesting..The S-class is the only one showing a hood ornament.
#43
It's possible the S-Class's hood ornament has a spring-loaded mechanism, designed to fall against the force of a falling body. Bentley has it, and has experienced a recall as the mechanism can corrode and fail to work as designed.
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/...hood-ornament/
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/...hood-ornament/
#44
Tech Contributor
I love my C5 Z06 Pop up lights !
Its a great "clean" look in the day time.
I could care less about drag coefficients when they are up.
I'm not a race car driver.
Its a great "clean" look in the day time.
I could care less about drag coefficients when they are up.
I'm not a race car driver.
#46
Le Mans Master
Excellent point... instead of being flung up and over the car, now the deer will be collected in the center and cushioned by your hood so it can have a better chance of being alive when it crashes through your windshield and then proceeds to kick you to death... hooves are sharp. But what would silly nanny-state European legislators know about deer?
I hit a deer at about 65 mph. It was night and when the deer came over the front he hit the popups and they launched him over the roof. If it were not for the popups he would have come right through the windshield (although dead or alive wouldn't have mattered much).
#47
I prefer non popup headlights, but they did save me in my '94.
I hit a deer at about 65 mph. It was night and when the deer came over the front he hit the popups and they launched him over the roof. If it were not for the popups he would have come right through the windshield (although dead or alive wouldn't have mattered much).
I hit a deer at about 65 mph. It was night and when the deer came over the front he hit the popups and they launched him over the roof. If it were not for the popups he would have come right through the windshield (although dead or alive wouldn't have mattered much).
A section of the hood with something like an air bag underneath it that explosively tilts up to launch the deer into the next county in such a situation.
#50
Le Mans Master
Imho, a hood/power bulge is a good thing. One of the better styling features of the C7.
#51
2014 E class does as well (non sport models).
I really don't get what the big deal would be with having it. Mine is spring loaded on my E class and gives way easily if you apply much pressure to it. Now the big Flying Lady on a Rolls...that looks like a problem as big as it is.
I really don't get what the big deal would be with having it. Mine is spring loaded on my E class and gives way easily if you apply much pressure to it. Now the big Flying Lady on a Rolls...that looks like a problem as big as it is.
#52
2014 E class does as well (non sport models).
I really don't get what the big deal would be with having it. Mine is spring loaded on my E class and gives way easily if you apply much pressure to it. Now the big Flying Lady on a Rolls...that looks like a problem as big as it is.
I really don't get what the big deal would be with having it. Mine is spring loaded on my E class and gives way easily if you apply much pressure to it. Now the big Flying Lady on a Rolls...that looks like a problem as big as it is.
#53
The stockers aren't the best for lighting and the gears need replacing...BUT....I LOVE the look when they are down and there's always the upgraded aftermarket projector HIDs. Night driving with the top down is awesome....
#54
Race Director
Easiest way to get around this would be to just not sell the car in Europe. It's not like it is a massive market for the Corvette, and if their laws are detracting from the US car, then the decision to sell it there is harming their important market.
Ultimately though, nobody will decide to not buy it because of this sort of a change, so it's rather a moot point. It's only going to get worse and people are still going to buy them and complain about it, so GM is going to not give a rat's *** about it. A paying customer with quibbles about the design is still a paying customer.
Ultimately though, nobody will decide to not buy it because of this sort of a change, so it's rather a moot point. It's only going to get worse and people are still going to buy them and complain about it, so GM is going to not give a rat's *** about it. A paying customer with quibbles about the design is still a paying customer.
#55
#56
Tech Contributor
couldn't agree more Toque! and as for GM saying that they couldn't fit HID lights in the popups then what are these? http://www.corvettemods.com/Corvette...it_p_5530.html
I got a ACA HID projector housing, then removed the original projector and retrofitted a Morimito FXR Bi-Xenon projector in there instead.
High and Low beam from the same 55W HID bulb. Operates exactly like it was factory installed.
My lighting is way better than a C6, and in the day time my lights are hidden for a "clean" look.
Toque
#57
Safety Car
Some of these govt. rules are screwing up the looks of some cars.
Like some of the front ends on the newer mercedes and bmw's have that "chopped off nose" look...
I just hope they dont end up letting other countries screw up the look of american cars.
Like some of the front ends on the newer mercedes and bmw's have that "chopped off nose" look...
I just hope they dont end up letting other countries screw up the look of american cars.
Last edited by jr3; 05-15-2013 at 10:14 PM.
#58
Race Director
My point is that even if the Corvette was never raced, and every single person that wanted to purchase a Corvette to drive on the street said they would not if it didn't have pop up headlights, the headlights still would have been gone on the 2005. They were regulated out, not designed out. Do you think all those other cars that were being built during the C5 era that had pop up headlights, also got rid of them so they could go racing in ALMS?
Jimmy
#59
Yea its easy to just pop in HID's into the stock housings. That's not really the right way to do it though. The stock housings are not designed for a light as bright as the HID bulb.
I got a ACA HID projector housing, then removed the original projector and retrofitted a Morimito FXR Bi-Xenon projector in there instead.
High and Low beam from the same 55W HID bulb. Operates exactly like it was factory installed.
My lighting is way better than a C6, and in the day time my lights are hidden for a "clean" look.
Toque
I got a ACA HID projector housing, then removed the original projector and retrofitted a Morimito FXR Bi-Xenon projector in there instead.
High and Low beam from the same 55W HID bulb. Operates exactly like it was factory installed.
My lighting is way better than a C6, and in the day time my lights are hidden for a "clean" look.
Toque
Man, you gotta love this place....a pop up headlight discussion. Whatever the reason, pop ups were doomed by the market, if nothing else. The C5 came out in 1997, I cannot think of ANY cars that had pop ups at that point, if there were any, they were gone LONG before the C5 breathed it's last in 2004. Plenty of cars that HAD pop ups originally, changed over (during the same generation) to fixed lamps (Acura NSX, Lamborghini Diablo, Dodge Stealth/Mitubishi 3000 just to name a few examples) Pop ups went out of fashion, period. We can talk about Euro regs/race team/reliability/whatever, what competion was doing had just as much (or more) effect.
Jimmy
Jimmy
Last edited by wolf10851; 05-16-2013 at 12:38 AM.