Notch

Motor Trend recorded a 3.7 sec 0-60 time for the RWD 991S PDK.

Notch

Torque is not a one-stop-shopping standing start acceleration indicator. For example, the Ferrari 458 has 398 lb-ft of torque, 206 lb-ft less than the ZR1, yet does 0-60 in 3.0 sec vs the ZR1's 3.4 sec. Both cars weighed within 5 lbs or each other in that test.

Notch

Additionally, Car and Driver tested the 911S and recorded a 0-60 time of 3.6 sec (RWD, PDK, and N/A).

Link --> http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ebuary2012.pdf

Still think the numbers are BS??

Carnut12

I posted a few of those as well a couple pages earlier and you nailed it Porsche always under values the cars true potential. The fact Porsche can get that type of power out of an NA 3.8 liter 6 Cylinder tells you more about how far ahead they are, most can not get that much power out of a 6 Cylinder with a Turbo or Supercharger.

The Cayman S is more in line with the times they have been getting with the Corvette, much closer than the 911 times-
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...erships-page-2

Jp23rockstar

Weight distribution can play a factor in 0-60.

Michael A

It's huge when the engine sits literally behind the rear wheels.

0-60s are fun to compare, but in reality are kind of silly. With today's power, 0-60 is a better measure of off the line traction.



Michael

heavychevy

Or how far behind they are. NA 6 cylinders are obsolete in the top tier of performance. They need PDK, rear wheel steering and a host of nannies to make the new GT3 be only a little slower than the C6Z (instead of a lot) meanwhile the C7Z51 is proving to be in the same ballpark. I hope GM sticks some mpsc on the z51 and knocks it down even another notch.

0-60 times mean absolutely squat. The Cayman will get its doors blown off in pretty much every other area. Not on the same level as the C7.

Lavender

I did 11.78 @ 120.2 in my cousins bone stock 2004 C5 Z06. It is plausible for a PDK equipped car to run 11.8 @ 118.

heavychevy

BTW the 911 used to be a performance benchmark, now its more of a profit benchmark and more of a build quality and engineering benchmark. Certainly not a performance benchmark anymore.

Most dont benchmark what they cant beat. They keep their mouths shut. The only maker bold enough to benchmark the Corvette is SRT because they are the only ones who can build a car that doesnt cost as much as a 6000 sq ft house in a gated community to keep up. Relevancy is everything.

Guibo

R&T is among the only ones in the US that does not correct for conditions. But this is where SCM_Crash's skepticism could be misguided: Mags correct to SAE J1349, which establishes 77 deg F as the normalization benchmark. This test of the Porsche was at 66 deg F. And humidity was lower than in a lot of tests, and at only 80' above sea level, it was lower than most others too. Absolutely true that PDK and rearward weight bias helps. Also, consider the gearing. The Porsche's 1st gear is 32% shorter (numerically higher). Combine that with the weight bias and we see why 911s are that fast off the line: Greater torque multiplication and the weight bias to effectively put it to the ground. Meaning it can use more of its power and torque more of the time. Clearly evident in the Motor Trend test when conditions were far less than ideal, and a very good reason 911s are favored for tarmac rallies and hillclimbs in Europe. We have already seen people on these forums in for a rude awakening claiming "physics is physics" (and yes, "cheating" too) when the GT-R was first introduced.
FWIW, R&T got a 997.1S to 60 in 3.9 back in '05. It's not unbelievable that more power, launch control, PDK, and more advanced tires could yield a 0.4s improvement.


And since when was the 911 the objective performance benchmark? Some figures from R&T road tests from long ago:

Car / Price as tested / Power / 0-60 / 0-100
1964 911 / $6500 / 145 bhp / 9.0 / 23.7
1966 Corvette Sting Ray / $5016 / 300 bhp / 8.0 / 20.2

To get a Porsche in that Corvette's price range, you'd need to look at:
1966 912 / $4961 / 102 bhp / 11.6 / 34.0

Shaka

One of the smartest and articulate members and you place him on your ignore list. That figures.

punky

The Corvette bashing Porsche lovers constantly preach about how acceleration statistics are not important until they dig thru a stack of car magazines and find one they like. Sll og s sudden it matters, LOL!

Notch

I haven't seen any Corvette bashing here.

As for performance numbers, some people here (who don't have personal issues with discussing other cars) discuss the numbers when there is incorrect data posted, just to set the record straight.

Notch

Right; they are way behind in sales and profit numbers. Just shows how misplaced their marketing vision is...

Cruiter

Porsche isn't going to take the C7 lying down. Their 'Meister' designers have been hard at work in Stuttgart. It might be less money but ...
I don't see any air bags and the throttle shown sure isn't drive by wire . Oh, that's their 'lock and tail slide' brake system.

Not sure what it's future designation will be.

punky

Did someone in a Corvette run you over when you were a youngster?

Notch

???

ByByBMW

In fact, there is a WHOLE lot more Porsche bashing going on than Corvette bashing. Almost all posts that I have seen from Porsche supporters are just trying to bring some accurate info to the table. The amount of wrong "data" being brought to the table from the Corvette "fanboi's" is quite amazing.

And to address another thread earlier, there is no C7 bashing going on in the Porsche forums I frequent. In fact, there is a lot of interest in the C7 because GM may have gotten it right with the C7 and the idea I take away from the discussions is that Porsche may loose some sales to the C7. Will have to wait until it's in the hands of the public for a year or two though.

Rapid Fred

"I was a vender (Glover Design) and I bad mouthed another vender (Breathless Performance)for stealing my designs. They banned me for life. Ive been suspended as Shaka 4 or 5 times. Ive just come off a month suspension."

That's all I needed to know.

To the ignore list!!!!!!!

HotHonda

Will the HUD/Nav show the speed limit of the road you are on in the C7
like my 991?

Very handy & accurate for the most part.

Thanks!