C7 Hyper Car
07-09-2013, 02:03 PM
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C7 Hyper Car
Watched an interesting Youtube (
) video on the evolution of the Supercar. The McLaren P1, Ferrari La Ferrari, Porsche 918 and soon, the Acura NSX -- all combining the internal combustion engine and electric motors. I wonder if Chevrolet has the R+D budget to create the ultra C7 that meshes those technologies. As I see it thus far, none of the major American automakers are attempting this in the supercar/sports car category.
07-09-2013, 02:34 PM
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Drifting
NSX, if it ever comes to market, will be a day late and dollar short.
As for the rest, can you afford/want a $500,000 vette truthfully. Does anyone? I mean, when you compare ZR1 to say, the ENZO, I think vettes are doing just fine in their current catagory.
As for the rest, can you afford/want a $500,000 vette truthfully. Does anyone? I mean, when you compare ZR1 to say, the ENZO, I think vettes are doing just fine in their current catagory.
07-09-2013, 02:41 PM
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I think you may have missed the OP's point. The C4 ZR-1 and the C6 ZR1 both touched on then-contemporary supercar performance at a price of a bit more than $100K in today's $. Given that track record, I think it is reasonable to believe the Vette team could do it again, making just a few compromises along the way to deliver 98% of a $500K car for about $120K. They may skip it this time around, however, just like they did with the C5...
07-09-2013, 03:15 PM
#5
Drifting
I get what your saying, but he's referring to this "hyper car" class. Yes, the old ZR-1 was an outrageous 400hp American car, and competitive with twice as expensive Ferrari's, but it wasn't a match at all for the F40/F50 nor McLarren. The new ZR1 did outdo the Enzo, but that was a 6 year old car. Against stuff like a current Pagoni or Konnisegg, its still outmatched.
I will admit though, the current ZR1/Z07 cars were a b***h slap to the super car world when they came out. Even now, I guess I'd agree they do offer 98% of the performance.
This new batch of cars though, is gonna be near impossible for a Corvette to beat. They are playing against million dollar budgets.
I will admit though, the current ZR1/Z07 cars were a b***h slap to the super car world when they came out. Even now, I guess I'd agree they do offer 98% of the performance.
This new batch of cars though, is gonna be near impossible for a Corvette to beat. They are playing against million dollar budgets.
07-09-2013, 04:01 PM
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Race Director
I get what your saying, but he's referring to this "hyper car" class. Yes, the old ZR-1 was an outrageous 400hp American car, and competitive with twice as expensive Ferrari's, but it wasn't a match at all for the F40/F50 nor McLarren. The new ZR1 did outdo the Enzo, but that was a 6 year old car. Against stuff like a current Pagoni or Konnisegg, its still outmatched.
I will admit though, the current ZR1/Z07 cars were a b***h slap to the super car world when they came out. Even now, I guess I'd agree they do offer 98% of the performance.
This new batch of cars though, is gonna be near impossible for a Corvette to beat. They are playing against million dollar budgets.
I will admit though, the current ZR1/Z07 cars were a b***h slap to the super car world when they came out. Even now, I guess I'd agree they do offer 98% of the performance.
This new batch of cars though, is gonna be near impossible for a Corvette to beat. They are playing against million dollar budgets.
They don't have to BEAT Pagoni or Konnisegg, just get within shouting distance
If you partition the hard drive.
07-09-2013, 04:29 PM
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Le Mans Master
I think you may have missed the OP's point. The C4 ZR-1 and the C6 ZR1 both touched on then-contemporary supercar performance at a price of a bit more than $100K in today's $. Given that track record, I think it is reasonable to believe the Vette team could do it again, making just a few compromises along the way to deliver 98% of a $500K car for about $120K. They may skip it this time around, however, just like they did with the C5...
07-09-2013, 04:44 PM
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07-09-2013, 05:02 PM
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07-09-2013, 05:14 PM
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I woulnt expext hyper car tech like the kers system or all carbon fiber componets ect... But I do believe a track dedicated production vette with alot of aero work, 3000 pound weight ,proper downforce and 800hp could give all the new gen hyper cars a run for there money. All for much less money less then 200k. Dont believe me, then take a look at the viper acr and imagine it with an upxated susp and 800 or more hp.
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Doesn't drivability, the fun factor and all at some point trump the engineering and hubris exercise that building these hypercars stands for? They are not for drivers.
The P-car 918 is cool - with a V8 from their IMSA Spyder race car Penske ran - but send the added weight and complexity of the hybrid power train back to the bench. It's over reaching.
My positives for the vette is it a relative value at even the ZR1 price point and provides similar performance to cars costing much more (458) and a different experience to peers (GTR).
The vette is somewhat more stuffy than the european cars (which I love) and that's a value that needs to stay with the modern vette even as attempts to broaden its base.
If GM wanted a one off, low volume hybrid hyper car that was more for the passenger, the onlooker, and your status, they should sell it through Cadillac, not as a vette.
The P-car 918 is cool - with a V8 from their IMSA Spyder race car Penske ran - but send the added weight and complexity of the hybrid power train back to the bench. It's over reaching.
My positives for the vette is it a relative value at even the ZR1 price point and provides similar performance to cars costing much more (458) and a different experience to peers (GTR).
The vette is somewhat more stuffy than the european cars (which I love) and that's a value that needs to stay with the modern vette even as attempts to broaden its base.
If GM wanted a one off, low volume hybrid hyper car that was more for the passenger, the onlooker, and your status, they should sell it through Cadillac, not as a vette.