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Old 07-08-2013, 06:45 PM   #1
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A reader opinion was published and I thought it would be good to share. Now it doesn't say which generation of vette this guy is referring too, he just said new.

"I was very interested in your remarks on the new Porsche Cayman S ("Pick Your Poison." June 10). I owned a first generation Cayman S until recently and was considering buying a new one. However, several things worked against it: poor dealer service, the superfluity of shiny bits in the cockpit, and outrageous prices that Porsche charges for options. I bought a Corvette instead. -Lyle Heldenbrand, Virgina Beach, VA."

Thanks Lyle. Way to be GM and GM dealers for making things more fun at the dealership.

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Old 07-08-2013, 06:52 PM   #2
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An reader opinion was published and I thought it would be good to share. Now it doesn't say which generation of vette this guy is referring too, he just said new.

"I was very interested in your remarks on the new Porsche Cayman S ("Pick Your Poison." June 10). I owned a first generation Cayman S until recently and was considering buying a new one. However, several things worked against it: poor dealer service, the superfluity of shiny bits in the cockpit, and outrageous prices that Porsche charges for options. I bought a Corvette instead. -Lyle Heldenbrand, Virgina Beach, VA."

Thanks Lyle. Way to be GM and GM dealers for making things more fun at the dealership.
Would this be the same "Lyle" from Virginia who is a car dealer and has the pure stock ZR1 quarter mile record?
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:04 PM   #3
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Would this be the same "Lyle" from Virginia who is a car dealer and has the pure stock ZR1 quarter mile record?
That's Kyle!

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Old 07-08-2013, 07:20 PM   #4
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I was seriously looking at a Porsche as well. Just can't justify the expense they want for every little option. Optioned they way I wanted it I was over 100k for a Cayman S! Thats nuts. When ordering my fully loaded 3LT C7, the options seem like a deal in comparison.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:23 PM   #5
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I agree Vrmmm, I built the cayman online the other day and the options were a killer in price. Sure the base MSRP is close to the C7, but i bet you can't find a base Cayman on a lot anywhere.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:35 PM   #6
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I was seriously looking at a Porsche as well. Just can't justify the expense they want for every little option. Optioned they way I wanted it I was over 100k for a Cayman S! Thats nuts. When ordering my fully loaded 3LT C7, the options seem like a deal in comparison.
I hear ya, I expressed that in another thread.
I don't know how an informed and conscientious consumer or even an auto enthusiast can reconcile the expense - performance, price per features.

But then again I really like the Boxster or Cayman characteristics.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:14 PM   #7
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I am waivering between a new 2014 Boxster S or a C7 Coupe (Z51)

When I build each car to almost the same options, the C7 Z51 Coupe is at $63,000 and the Boxster is at $74,000. That's 17% higher.

Even if they discounted the Boxster 5% off MSRP, it is still at $70,000 vs a C7 at at MSRP of $63,000 for rignt now.

For now I will continue to drive my 2009 Z4 35i until C7 prices come down or a perhaps a slightly used 2013 Boxster S comes along.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:57 PM   #8
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All Euro cars have unbelievably expensive options compared to the C7. $2800 for an Ediff, dry sump, bigger brakes, and bigger wheels? Most in Germany, England, and Italy are scratching their heads not how GM did it so cheaply but WHY they did it so cheaply.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:03 PM   #9
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Although the C7 and Cayman are about the same price I can't fathom how anyone would cross shop between the two. The two cars are extremely different, ex. 275 vs 460 hp lol. If you're the type who values the porsche badge, dealer experience, or how the steering wheel feels then get the Cayman. If you don't care about status or the other feminine stuff like steering wheel feel, and instead value actual performance and thrill, then get the Corvette.
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Although the C7 and Cayman are about the same price I can't fathom how anyone would cross shop between the two. The two cars are extremely different, ex. 275 vs 460 hp lol. If you're the type who values the porsche badge, dealer experience, or how the steering wheel feels then get the Cayman. If you don't care about status or the other feminine stuff like steering wheel feel, and instead value actual performance and thrill, then get the Corvette.

Agreed. Apples and oranges. 911 vs C7... Ok. Cayman, nah.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:54 PM   #11
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SilverC6AZ You are comparing apples and oranges. Price both cars in convertible form. I priced a 2013 GS convertible and it came to $74,000. My 2014 Boxster (not an S) came to $66,000. Traded a 2012 Z4 that I was disappointed in. Traded a 2009 C6 for the Z4. Now I have what I want.
Your comparison is also apples/oranges. If you are going to compare a C6 convertible to a regular Boxster, it should be a regular C6 convertible, not a GS.

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Old 07-09-2013, 03:33 AM   #12
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Although the C7 and Cayman are about the same price I can't fathom how anyone would cross shop between the two. The two cars are extremely different, ex. 275 vs 460 hp lol. If you're the type who values the porsche badge, dealer experience, or how the steering wheel feels then get the Cayman. If you don't care about status or the other feminine stuff like steering wheel feel, and instead value actual performance and thrill, then get the Corvette.
Talk about a loaded post: "feminine stuff like steering feel"

HA!

You could phrase it the other way and say, "If you care about stuff GM can't seem to get right, like precision and balance, then get the Cayman. If you only care about brute force and crappy interiors, get the Vette"

Of course, those negatives about the Vette may have been fixed with the C7, while the Porsche negatives (relatively low power and very poor value) still exist.

I think that is why many people are torn. In the past I never would have considered a Vette and would have grudgingly spent the extra cash on a Cayman (or gone with a used one and taken a gamble on maintenance costs). The C7 makes the decision quite a bit more difficult, because you may actually be able to get precision and balance that is closer to that of a Cayman (still a few hundred lbs heavier) as well as the power, brute force, and value of the Vette.

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Do we have to revisit/re-hash this worthless subject time and time again? Damn!
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:48 AM   #14
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Talk about a loaded post: "feminine stuff like steering feel"

HA!

You could phrase it the other way and say, "If you care about stuff GM can't seem to get right, like precision and balance, then get the Cayman. If you only care about brute force and crappy interiors, get the Vette"

Of course, those negatives about the Vette may have been fixed with the C7, while the Porsche negatives (relatively low power and very poor value) still exist.

I think that is why many people are torn. In the past I never would have considered a Vette and would have grudgingly spent the extra cash on a Cayman (or gone with a used one and taken a gamble on maintenance costs). The C7 makes the decision quite a bit more difficult, because you may actually be able to get precision and balance that is closer to that of a Cayman (still a few hundred lbs heavier) as well as the power, brute force, and value of the Vette.

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Lol k I should have said "feminine stuff like precision and balance" or any other non-performance and subjective criteria of sports car. Any "man" who is debating taking a 70 percent horsepower reduction in exchange for a nicer interior or "balance - whatever that means" needs to get their testosterone levels checked lol. I couldn't care less about that stuff or how the interior is. For that reason I selected 1LT, I see no reason for myself to pay extra for nicer leather, carbon fiber, navigation, etc. Just give me a badass looking great performing car at a reasonable price, and at that the C7 Z51 1LT is as good as it can possibly get.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:25 AM   #15
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Lol k I should have said "feminine stuff like precision and balance" or any other non-performance and subjective criteria of sports car. Any "man" who is debating taking a 70 percent horsepower reduction in exchange for a nicer interior or "balance - whatever that means" needs to get their testosterone levels checked lol.


Wow, talk about perpetuating the stereotypical Vette owner.

I'm sure all the Boxster/Cayman drivers I saw racing at the Glen a couple weeks ago in their underpowered girly cars were just out there enjoying a quick "feel." Precision and balance? Who needs that in a SPORTS CAR?

I will probably never own a Porsche again given what $ I am willing to allocate to my driving experience. But I am secure enough in my masculinity to enjoy the heck out of my son's tossable Miata and my wife's brilliant Mini-Cooper.
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Jimmy== Let's price a GS convertible and a Boxster S. About the same. I'll take the quality built Porsche any time over the C6.5.
Cheap unibody construction (Floppy sheet steel welded into a honeycomb of compartments) is not quality build techniques. Porsche, the only sports car company that utilizes this cheap body construction method.
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SilverC6AZ You are comparing apples and oranges. Price both cars in convertible form. I priced a 2013 GS convertible and it came to $74,000. My 2014 Boxster (not an S) came to $66,000. Traded a 2012 Z4 that I was disappointed in. Traded a 2009 C6 for the Z4. Now I have what I want.
That is unfortunate you were disappointed in your Z4. I love mine. Only reason I am thinking of selling it is because warranty is up soon.

C7 Coupe still an open air car, so not an apple to oranges situation in my opinion.

Comparing a Boxster Base to a C7 is more apples to oranges.

I was disappointed in the 2013 Boxster Base. Test drove a used one with 1900 miles on it. No torque, and way underpowered. Other than that the car was fine.

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Shank---I have owned too many Corvettes and experienced cheap materials and build quality. Let's not even get into the dealership experience with Chevrolet the land of the 400 credit score. My guess is that the C6.5 will continue to offer poor build quality and will continue to cut the corners everywhere possible as dictated by the GM bean counters. I don't think you have any clue about construction of an automobile. Let's just see about the reviews in regard to quality build and materials of the new C6.5 Based on the reviews, I may have to change my mind and refer to the new C6.4.
I've owned Ferraris. You are the clueless one. I've been to Maranello twice, Sant Agata twice and Gaydon once. All three factories were state of the art. I think you have to study up before you blurt out more nonsense about build construction. By the way, I use a Starrett dial caliper in my line of work. Ferraris, Lambo and Aston are all crafted. Porsche is a mass produced car. Corvettes are now equal to the standards of Porsche only with far higher performance specs.

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Wow, talk about perpetuating the stereotypical Vette owner.

I'm sure all the Boxster/Cayman drivers I saw racing at the Glen a couple weeks ago in their underpowered girly cars were just out there enjoying a quick "feel."
Did they end up getting a blood test for testosterone levels afterwards?
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Jimmy== Let's price a GS convertible and a Boxster S. About the same. I'll take the quality built Porsche any time over the C6.5.
I was simply correcting you on what you were comparing, I have no desire to get in to yet another pissing match. Enjoy your Boxster, they are great cars, I will enjoy my C7 convertible which I feel certain will be a great car also.

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