Edmunds 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 vs. 2013 Nissan GT-R Premium Track Test
07-29-2013, 06:05 PM
#41
Le Mans Master
The GTR needs to be compared to the C7 Z06 or what ever they will call it not the base C7. But by then the next Gen GTR will be out which will be even more powerful..These GTRs are no Joke. I have seen a few of there round tail lights..lol.
07-29-2013, 06:13 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
A stock '12-'13 (and '14?) GT-R will run around a 9.2-9.4 60-130 time. FWIW...fastest verified time for a bone stock '06-'13 C6 Z06 is 7.86, my '13 GT500 has gone a verified 7.89. I'm not sure I'd venture a very accurate guess for a C7, but maybe high-8's/low-9's 60-130 mph?
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...le-thread.html
IMO, 60-130 is a better metric for modern cars than 0-60.
S.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...le-thread.html
IMO, 60-130 is a better metric for modern cars than 0-60.
S.
60 -130 mph (96.5-209.2 kph):
2.67 - AMS Alpha-Omega, C16 (strip)
3.31 - AMS Alpha 12, C16 (strip)
3.33 - Divexxtreme / Switzer R1K-X, Q16 (strip)
3.46 - Heacuva / AMS Alpha 12, MS109 (street)
3.58 - timsanders / AMS Alpha 12 (strip)
3.70 - TopSpeed Motorsports/ETS kit, C16 (street)
3.83 - mikewads / AMS Alpha 10, E85 (street)
3.85 - Switzer R1K, Q16 (street)
4.10 - Exelixis Motorsport, C16 (street)
4.34 - Divexxtreme / Switzer Ultimate Street Edition, 93 octane (street)
4.39 - VEGASGTR / (street)
4.45 - Bob / AAM GT900R, E85 (street)
4.55 - gripforce-gtr (street)
4.70 - Kisco / Switzer E900 (street)
4.82 - Ben Linney GTC / Spec 800, E85 (street)
5.48 - Audioenvy / SIR Stage 1 turbo, bolt-ons, E85 (street)
5.85 - Mike at AWD Motorsports / full bolt-ons, *stock turbos*, E85 (strip)
5.92 - IMFASTER / AMS Alpha 9, built-motor, 93 octane (street)
5.99 - Divexxtreme / Switzer P700, 100 octane (street)
6.00 - Switzer P800, 93 octane (street)
6.22 - Goonthree / GTC intake, mid-pipe, DP, cat-back, E85 tune (street)
6.45 - mr2slo4u/ Cobb intakes, 2012 inlets, SIR pumps, mid-pipe, DP, cat-back, E85 tune (street)
6.56 - Pizzamangtr/catless DPs & MP, exhaust, intakes, injectors, inlet pipes, pumps, Visconti tune/E85 (street)
6.57 - Easy2speed /TopSpeed Tune, HKS Midpipe, AMS Downpipes, E85 (street)
6.60 - Divexxtreme / Switzer P700, 93 octane (street)
6.61 - Dana @ Virtual Works / bolt-ons, stock turbos, E85 (street)
7.05 - Divexxtreme / Switzer P600, cat-back, drop-in filters, 100 octane (street)
7.16 - JimmyP / E85, stock turbos, intake, exhaust, injectors, GTC tune (strip)
7.22 - Easy2Speed /TopSpeed Tune, HKS Midpipe, AMS Downpipes, 93 octane (street)
7.23 - Tom C / AAM DPs, MP, T1R cat-back, AAM 2.75" Intakes, inlets, 1000cc Injectors, AAM tune 93 octane (street)
7.27 - FikseGTS / 2013 with midpipe and tune / 93 octane (street)
7.74 - HoustonT / Boost Logic BL640 (downpipes, y-pipe, BC, hard IC pipes, tune) 93 octane (strip)
9.4x - FikseGTS / stock 2012 / 93 octane (street)
9.99 - Divexxtreme / stock 2010 / 93 octane (street)
For the sake of comparison, here are some 60-130 times for some other vehicles:
3.40 - TT Viper, Auto, DRs3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo Nera, 2-shifts3.61 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo / 1-shift
3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
3.96 - 996TT / 902 rwhp & 908 rwtq / 0-shifts
4.41 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo / E-gear 93 octane
4.52 - SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.81 - E30 325i, turbocharged, E85, Drag Radials
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S 7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp
8.28 - Porsche Panamera TT with ecu flash
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.42 - 2010 CTS-V / stock / 1-shift
9.5 - Porsche 997TT / stock
9.62 - M6koo / M6 SMG (intake, exhaust, pulley, tune) / 2-shifts
9.79 - C63 with P31 package / stock
9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
10.93 - E63 AMG / stock
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81 - Lexus IS-F / Stock
12.42 - 2012 Mustang GT with mid-pipe and tune
13.77- Bentley GTC / Stock
14.05 - 2012 Mustang GT / stock
14.36 - Audi RS6 / stock
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07-29-2013, 06:36 PM
#43
Scraping the splitter.
Yeah, I know that Fikse ran that, but that's nowhere near representative of what a tune/midpipe '12/'13 car will run. Not even close, IMO. Of course, a 7.86 isn't representative of what a typical C6 Z will run. It's usually closer to mid-8's.
From a roll, the GT-R's aren't overly impressive, IMO. We'll see how the C7's fare, but would think they'll be a tad slower than a DBA car.
S.
From a roll, the GT-R's aren't overly impressive, IMO. We'll see how the C7's fare, but would think they'll be a tad slower than a DBA car.
S.
07-29-2013, 06:46 PM
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Here's another, if you use the 1/4 mile time:
C7 60 mph to 117.3 mph = 7.9 seconds
GTR 60 mph to 123.3 mph = 8.0 seconds
so 0.1 seconds to get an extra 6 mph, still a bit faster, but like you can see, the difference in acceleration between these two cars is really not that much when you ignore starts from low speeds where traction is an issue.
Now put the C7 against one of the earlier GTR's that had 485 horsepower, and the GTR would be much slower off of a roll.
C7 60 mph to 117.3 mph = 7.9 seconds
GTR 60 mph to 123.3 mph = 8.0 seconds
so 0.1 seconds to get an extra 6 mph, still a bit faster, but like you can see, the difference in acceleration between these two cars is really not that much when you ignore starts from low speeds where traction is an issue.
Now put the C7 against one of the earlier GTR's that had 485 horsepower, and the GTR would be much slower off of a roll.
GTR has a better power to weight ratio than the C7 7.14 vs 7.48 and also has the edge of the super quick double clutch tranny.
07-29-2013, 08:44 PM
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as far as "real" racing there is plenty of it.. GTR just had an absolute amazing performance at the 24hr of SPA this weekend. been participating in the Nurgurgring 24hr since 2011, FIA GT and they are doing a bang up job in the european blancpain endurance series this year. Its a little light in the US but Grand Am in the next year or so is now likely since the merger as soon as the work out the rules for the FIA GT cars
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07-30-2013, 02:32 AM
#47
wow really? thats where the GTR shines even better and its beyond the #'s on a piece of paper. To the average to intermediate driver thats where you will see the gap increase as the GTR is total confidence inspiring and the majority of anyone behind the wheel would be able to reach their limit in it far better than I think any other car on the road.
as far as "real" racing there is plenty of it.. GTR just had an absolute amazing performance at the 24hr of SPA this weekend. been participating in the Nurgurgring 24hr since 2011, FIA GT and they are doing a bang up job in the european blancpain endurance series this year. Its a little light in the US but Grand Am in the next year or so is now likely since the merger as soon as the work out the rules for the FIA GT cars
as far as "real" racing there is plenty of it.. GTR just had an absolute amazing performance at the 24hr of SPA this weekend. been participating in the Nurgurgring 24hr since 2011, FIA GT and they are doing a bang up job in the european blancpain endurance series this year. Its a little light in the US but Grand Am in the next year or so is now likely since the merger as soon as the work out the rules for the FIA GT cars
07-30-2013, 05:44 AM
#48
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perhaps but not 11-13 feet....it would be the same as if they ran a 13.5 quarter and published that....and concidering that nobody get close to it but yet do similar quarter times, it just doesn't add up...they do say "best reccorded we had" and worst was 106...perhaps they should have taken the average over the "glitch" number as the "mark"...that's what you are supposed to do when you do "research"...but hey...concider the source I supose lol
07-30-2013, 07:26 AM
#50
Burning Brakes
I see the stingray as almost half the price of the GTR premium ....
The GTR more likely competes with the higher performance corvette due at the Detroit show in January...
The GTR is not my taste in styling nor has it won manys opinion as a great drivers car...
Techno yes.....but off putting.
I like the concept of the GTR but its a butterface.
The GTR more likely competes with the higher performance corvette due at the Detroit show in January...
The GTR is not my taste in styling nor has it won manys opinion as a great drivers car...
Techno yes.....but off putting.
I like the concept of the GTR but its a butterface.
07-30-2013, 07:58 AM
#51
perhaps but not 11-13 feet....it would be the same as if they ran a 13.5 quarter and published that....and concidering that nobody get close to it but yet do similar quarter times, it just doesn't add up...they do say "best reccorded we had" and worst was 106...perhaps they should have taken the average over the "glitch" number as the "mark"...that's what you are supposed to do when you do "research"...but hey...concider the source I supose lol
07-30-2013, 09:24 AM
#52
Drifting
They should also include rolling acceleration when comparing AWD cars to RWD. For example, if you look at the difference in time between 0-60 and 0-75, you get the following times for 60-75 mph:
C7: 1.5 seconds
GTR: 1.3 seconds
Difference starts to shrink, and this is only 60-75 which isn't much of a range, say if it was 60-120 or 60-150 I'd say the C7 and GTR times would be very similar.
C7: 1.5 seconds
GTR: 1.3 seconds
Difference starts to shrink, and this is only 60-75 which isn't much of a range, say if it was 60-120 or 60-150 I'd say the C7 and GTR times would be very similar.
I can't imagine that GM isn't closely scrutinizing the Eco-boost Ford F150s either...they've kinda stolen the thunder from GMs small block trucks. But, hey...how about the revitalized 4.3 in GM trucks...made a nice engine.
07-30-2013, 09:56 AM
#53
It's hard for Corvette fans to admit, there's a better performer out there...especially from Japan. But, if the Nissan had a Chevy nameplate on it, and it's appearance was Americanized, we'd sure be proud of it.
No question, all wheel drive and twin turbo-ed cars are the performance wave of the future. I'm sure GM is playing with the notion and it won't be long before we see a GM car with twin turbos, the first will probably be a Cadillac.
I can't imagine that GM isn't closely scrutinizing the Eco-boost Ford F150s either...they've kinda stolen the thunder from GMs small block trucks. But, hey...how about the revitalized 4.3 in GM trucks...made a nice engine.
No question, all wheel drive and twin turbo-ed cars are the performance wave of the future. I'm sure GM is playing with the notion and it won't be long before we see a GM car with twin turbos, the first will probably be a Cadillac.
I can't imagine that GM isn't closely scrutinizing the Eco-boost Ford F150s either...they've kinda stolen the thunder from GMs small block trucks. But, hey...how about the revitalized 4.3 in GM trucks...made a nice engine.
07-30-2013, 03:44 PM
#54
wow really? thats where the GTR shines even better and its beyond the #'s on a piece of paper. To the average to intermediate driver thats where you will see the gap increase as the GTR is total confidence inspiring and the majority of anyone behind the wheel would be able to reach their limit in it far better than I think any other car on the road.
as far as "real" racing there is plenty of it.. GTR just had an absolute amazing performance at the 24hr of SPA this weekend. been participating in the Nurgurgring 24hr since 2011, FIA GT and they are doing a bang up job in the european blancpain endurance series this year. Its a little light in the US but Grand Am in the next year or so is now likely since the merger as soon as the work out the rules for the FIA GT cars
as far as "real" racing there is plenty of it.. GTR just had an absolute amazing performance at the 24hr of SPA this weekend. been participating in the Nurgurgring 24hr since 2011, FIA GT and they are doing a bang up job in the european blancpain endurance series this year. Its a little light in the US but Grand Am in the next year or so is now likely since the merger as soon as the work out the rules for the FIA GT cars
07-30-2013, 04:03 PM
#55
Race Director
It's hard for Corvette fans to admit, there's a better performer out there...especially from Japan. But, if the Nissan had a Chevy nameplate on it, and it's appearance was Americanized, we'd sure be proud of it.
No question, all wheel drive and twin turbo-ed cars are the performance wave of the future. I'm sure GM is playing with the notion and it won't be long before we see a GM car with twin turbos, the first will probably be a Cadillac.
I can't imagine that GM isn't closely scrutinizing the Eco-boost Ford F150s either...they've kinda stolen the thunder from GMs small block trucks. But, hey...how about the revitalized 4.3 in GM trucks...made a nice engine.
No question, all wheel drive and twin turbo-ed cars are the performance wave of the future. I'm sure GM is playing with the notion and it won't be long before we see a GM car with twin turbos, the first will probably be a Cadillac.
I can't imagine that GM isn't closely scrutinizing the Eco-boost Ford F150s either...they've kinda stolen the thunder from GMs small block trucks. But, hey...how about the revitalized 4.3 in GM trucks...made a nice engine.
I believe peak tq is starting from around 1900 rpms ..
07-30-2013, 05:04 PM
#57
Le Mans Master
I particpated at the WGF Chicago 1/2mile shootout this June. AMS has its HQ about 4 miles from my house and the Alpha Omega ran the 1/2mile @214+ followed very closely by a spunky little Eclipse at 213 or so. No doubt the AO is a technological monster. I think you are seeing the Corvette apply similar technology to its platform. The C6 Z06 and ZR1s were already competent competitors to the GTR. I believe the C7 will be even more so.
I also believe the future of performance cars isn't turbos but electric drive. Vastly more flexible with a greater potential.
I also believe the future of performance cars isn't turbos but electric drive. Vastly more flexible with a greater potential.
07-31-2013, 07:47 AM
#58
Race Director
Interesting that edmunds comparisons are nearly twice the price of the standard corvette as they roll out of the showroom..
I admire the GTR s performance statistics with launch control and I admire the 911s as well..
Still the under 60 grand standard corvette with z51 MRC NPP and the m7 with rev matching is too compelling an offer...
Dam that torch red c7 in car and driver magazine is hot looking.
Interesting that the actual magazines in paper form still haven't arrived yet...
I think it was road and track performance stats that broke the embargo by accident...
Anyone notice their video of the c7 is still absent while everyone else's is trending on the net?
I admire the GTR s performance statistics with launch control and I admire the 911s as well..
Still the under 60 grand standard corvette with z51 MRC NPP and the m7 with rev matching is too compelling an offer...
Dam that torch red c7 in car and driver magazine is hot looking.
Interesting that the actual magazines in paper form still haven't arrived yet...
I think it was road and track performance stats that broke the embargo by accident...
Anyone notice their video of the c7 is still absent while everyone else's is trending on the net?
07-31-2013, 08:07 AM
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07-31-2013, 10:44 PM
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The GTR should only be compared to the Z06.
Price really has nothing to do with this but kicking when it comes to acceleration. AWD helps but the biggest weakness of the C7 is the tranny. Porsche offers PDK for less than 5K. People act like the price of the Vette would jump to 100K if a DCT or proper auto was offered. GM could still offer it for under 60K with acceleration that would leave the C6 Z06 in the rear view and give the ZR1 a run for it's money from 0 - 60 and in the 1/4.
If the Z51 had a DCT, it would probably run 3.3/11.5 right now with RWD and 460 hp. GM had the handling, braking, grip and power figured out with the C6 but it sorely missed a world class auto. The torque converter just kills power delivery. Not to mention, an 8 speed should enable use of a taller ratio while still increasing torque multiplication across gears.
The C7 deserves a proper auto. Keep the manual for those that want it but there's a reason why the Carerra S does 0 - 60 in 4.6 with the manual and 3.9 with PDK.
Price really has nothing to do with this but kicking when it comes to acceleration. AWD helps but the biggest weakness of the C7 is the tranny. Porsche offers PDK for less than 5K. People act like the price of the Vette would jump to 100K if a DCT or proper auto was offered. GM could still offer it for under 60K with acceleration that would leave the C6 Z06 in the rear view and give the ZR1 a run for it's money from 0 - 60 and in the 1/4.
If the Z51 had a DCT, it would probably run 3.3/11.5 right now with RWD and 460 hp. GM had the handling, braking, grip and power figured out with the C6 but it sorely missed a world class auto. The torque converter just kills power delivery. Not to mention, an 8 speed should enable use of a taller ratio while still increasing torque multiplication across gears.
The C7 deserves a proper auto. Keep the manual for those that want it but there's a reason why the Carerra S does 0 - 60 in 4.6 with the manual and 3.9 with PDK.