C7 test fleet completed 1,000,000 miles of real world testing last week....
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So, let me get this straight, you would go through 3 years of pre-production, to develop a new vehicle, then manufacture only 100 cars to put on the roads for another 3 years, before building any more to release to the public? What would your employees do for that 3 year period while you were "effectively testing the car"? Would you pay them their full wage? What about the Millions you invested in new technology, engineering, plant updates, machinery, etc.? Would you just pay interest only for 3 years on all the $ you borrowed? OH, and all those suppliers that you contracted to build parts for your new vehicle, would you pay them to set idle for 3 years while you got the bugs out? You might put a little more thought into your posts before making this kind of absurd statement!
Let's also not forget the fact that after those three years of testing are up, GM would have already needed to have started the testing on the C8 to keep pace with any competitors and the market.
I know you probably put some time into your response, unfortunately, you didn't catch the sarcasm in my initial post. There are clearly going to be C7 detractors who crow that GM didn't test the car enough (even though I'm sure it was road tested at least as much as the C4, C5 and C6 was) and it's doomed to be a quality failure.
S.
#23
Race Director
GM started testing the first mules in the 4th quarter of 2010. By late 2011 they hand built 86 cars they call IVers and put over 1.5 million miles on those cars, all before the current cars seen across the country were built.
http://www.corvette-mag.com/issues/8...s#.UhosEmR4bq8
http://www.corvette-mag.com/issues/8...s#.UhosEmR4bq8
#24
GM started testing the first mules in the 4th quarter of 2010. By late 2011 they hand built 86 cars they call IVers and put over 1.5 million miles on those cars, all before the current cars seen across the country were built.
http://www.corvette-mag.com/issues/8...s#.UhosEmR4bq8
http://www.corvette-mag.com/issues/8...s#.UhosEmR4bq8
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Given the advanced state of computer-aided design and the sophistication of modern simulation devices, we asked Holder if the C7 required less real-world testing than previous Corvette generations. A 15-year GM veteran who worked on the previous two Corvettes, Holder says the C7 underwent the same amount of physical hardware testing as its C5 and C6 predecessors. “Cars have gotten more complex, which requires more testing and analysis,” he explained. The difference, he says, is that the predictive tools take a lot of trial and error out of the process, leading to better results. This is especially true with aerodynamics, where the use of computational fluid dynamics has made airflow management less of a black art. Still, the C7 spent over 700 hours in the wind tunnel, and there is no substitute for having a living, breathing test driver check for potential issues like wind noise.
The same is true of testing subjective aspects of the driving experience like ride quality; here, the human element is key. The IVer fleet pounded plenty of pavement—no less than 1.5 million miles, to be exact. That’s 60 times around the globe. At General Motor’s expansive Milford Proving Ground outside of Detroit, at Michelin’s Laurens Proving Grounds in South Carolina and at racetracks across the country, C7 prototypes were subjected to myriad forms of abuse. Previous tests were verified, build quality was validated, durability was proven and performance boundaries were pushed. Though IVers were exposed to temperature and weather extremes in GM’s full-size simulators—from minus 40-degree F temperatures to monsoon rain—that didn’t keep test drivers from conducting real-world tests in harsh conditions.
The same is true of testing subjective aspects of the driving experience like ride quality; here, the human element is key. The IVer fleet pounded plenty of pavement—no less than 1.5 million miles, to be exact. That’s 60 times around the globe. At General Motor’s expansive Milford Proving Ground outside of Detroit, at Michelin’s Laurens Proving Grounds in South Carolina and at racetracks across the country, C7 prototypes were subjected to myriad forms of abuse. Previous tests were verified, build quality was validated, durability was proven and performance boundaries were pushed. Though IVers were exposed to temperature and weather extremes in GM’s full-size simulators—from minus 40-degree F temperatures to monsoon rain—that didn’t keep test drivers from conducting real-world tests in harsh conditions.
S.
#26
Drifting
I'll buy all you can find for a "dime a dozen"!!!!!! At full production only about 30,000 C7's will be built the first year. You will not see them "everywhere" until the 3rd or 4th year of production. And so what if you do? They are meant to be seen and driven. If you want a car that no one else has, then cough up a million or so bucks and buy one of the "exotics".
#27
Team Owner
When the car is in a shipping container crossing the ocean, does that count towards the 3 million miles?
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That’s very impressive. Doesn’t look like the passenger compartment of the C7 was compromised. It even looks like the Town Car got the worst of it, and the Town Car is a very heavy well built car.
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#32
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Sure, because after 3 years of testing 100 cars for 100k miles (for a total of 10 million long term test miles) the cars would be as close to perfect as those who hate them think they should be to be considered successful.
Let's also not forget the fact that after those three years of testing are up, GM would have already needed to have started the testing on the C8 to keep pace with any competitors and the market.
I know you probably put some time into your response, unfortunately, you didn't catch the sarcasm in my initial post. There are clearly going to be C7 detractors who crow that GM didn't test the car enough (even though I'm sure it was road tested at least as much as the C4, C5 and C6 was) and it's doomed to be a quality failure.
S.
Let's also not forget the fact that after those three years of testing are up, GM would have already needed to have started the testing on the C8 to keep pace with any competitors and the market.
I know you probably put some time into your response, unfortunately, you didn't catch the sarcasm in my initial post. There are clearly going to be C7 detractors who crow that GM didn't test the car enough (even though I'm sure it was road tested at least as much as the C4, C5 and C6 was) and it's doomed to be a quality failure.
S.
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How many LS7's have dropped valves at all? Can you verify that number?
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So, let me get this straight, you would go through 3 years of pre-production, to develop a new vehicle, then manufacture only 100 cars to put on the roads for another 3 years, before building any more to release to the public? What would your employees do for that 3 year period while you were "effectively testing the car"? Would you pay them their full wage? What about the Millions you invested in new technology, engineering, plant updates, machinery, etc.? Would you just pay interest only for 3 years on all the $ you borrowed? OH, and all those suppliers that you contracted to build parts for your new vehicle, would you pay them to set idle for 3 years while you got the bugs out? You might put a little more thought into your posts before making this kind of absurd statement!
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So, let me get this straight, you would go through 3 years of pre-production, to develop a new vehicle, then manufacture only 100 cars to put on the roads for another 3 years, before building any more to release to the public? What would your employees do for that 3 year period while you were "effectively testing the car"? Would you pay them their full wage? What about the Millions you invested in new technology, engineering, plant updates, machinery, etc.? Would you just pay interest only for 3 years on all the $ you borrowed? OH, and all those suppliers that you contracted to build parts for your new vehicle, would you pay them to set idle for 3 years while you got the bugs out? You might put a little more thought into your posts before making this kind of absurd statement!
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Pro
Choose 1:
Quick
cheap
or perfect
developers and engineers strive for all three but there's time to market, and all that time you are burning dollars you *hope* to recoup in sales. those budgets are very limited and very tightly managed even (and especially now) in a mega-company like GM.
they have to get the product selling and yeah, there are going to be bugs turned up when it gets in the publics hands and that's what warranty and incremental improvements model year to model year are all about.
Quick
cheap
or perfect
developers and engineers strive for all three but there's time to market, and all that time you are burning dollars you *hope* to recoup in sales. those budgets are very limited and very tightly managed even (and especially now) in a mega-company like GM.
they have to get the product selling and yeah, there are going to be bugs turned up when it gets in the publics hands and that's what warranty and incremental improvements model year to model year are all about.