C7 seems a lot like Lexus LFA.
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C7 seems a lot like Lexus LFA.
Only better. Watch jay lenos garage YouTube video. The LFA is the first car I thought of when I first saw a c7 and after just watching the video it seems they are very similar aside for the $400,000 price tag.
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They are not really alike outside of some basic configuration principles (front-engine, rear transaxle with torque tube, naturally aspirated, RWD, 2-seaters), but underneath there is one area I find both are similar in philosophy. The attention in striving for more rearward weight bias, as evidenced by the rear-mounted coolers and fans (transaxle for the C7, engine radiator and even windshield wiper bottle for the LFA). Similar intake ducting too.
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#7
Le Mans Master
I, as often as I can, must plug that I was one of the few non-Toyota employees to drive the LFA prototype in 2010. I can tell you, that upon driving it I immediately stated it was the most a,azing car I'd ever driven (and I've driven a lot of exotics). The LFA is pure excellence. People will attempt to nitpick the car, but the entire experience I've had with the car changed me...its that good. Corvette is an awesome car but it'll NEVER be an LFA, nor does it claim to be.
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I, as often as I can, must plug that I was one of the few non-Toyota employees to drive the LFA prototype in 2010. I can tell you, that upon driving it I immediately stated it was the most a,azing car I'd ever driven (and I've driven a lot of exotics). The LFA is pure excellence. People will attempt to nitpick the car, but the entire experience I've had with the car changed me...its that good. Corvette is an awesome car but it'll NEVER be an LFA, nor does it claim to be.
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Le Mans Master
Well, also understand that toyota loses approx $500k per LFA sold. The car was simply an excersize to build something incredible. I assure you, this car isnt just about the raw performance numbers...its the experience of driving it, sitting in it and HEARING it inside. The car did everything so right...I just was changed the day I drove it. You could daily that car to work, or destroy cars at the track...its an amazing machine. Nothing exists on that car without a purpose. There is a lot about the body people dont know even, when it comes to aero, that was explained to me by the engineers. Its a fantastic machine and worth every damn cent!
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Well, also understand that toyota loses approx $500k per LFA sold. The car was simply an excersize to build something incredible. I assure you, this car isnt just about the raw performance numbers...its the experience of driving it, sitting in it and HEARING it inside. The car did everything so right...I just was changed the day I drove it. You could daily that car to work, or destroy cars at the track...its an amazing machine. Nothing exists on that car without a purpose. There is a lot about the body people dont know even, when it comes to aero, that was explained to me by the engineers. Its a fantastic machine and worth every damn cent!
#16
Everybody here does know that the C6 ZR1 was considerably faster than the LFA at the 'Ring and I think every other place that they've been tested together, right? However, I wish a Vette sounded a little more like the LFA.
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You know the LFA did not initially come to mind when I first saw the C7.
It was certainly a car discussed as a potential style cue influence, a point of light in the early days of this forum, but the focus became much more grounded on the GTR.
So now looking over the LFA, I can see a striking styling cue that seems to be emulated on the C7 in particular the rear.
Overall I still feel the the primary inspiration [i.e. benchmark] was the Ferrari Berlinetta.
What's more interesting to me is that I do not seen any influence on the C7 based on the C-X-16 [F type] concept from jag in the day.
Particularly the integrated spoiler that Porsche and Jag were adopting.
IMHO
It was certainly a car discussed as a potential style cue influence, a point of light in the early days of this forum, but the focus became much more grounded on the GTR.
So now looking over the LFA, I can see a striking styling cue that seems to be emulated on the C7 in particular the rear.
Overall I still feel the the primary inspiration [i.e. benchmark] was the Ferrari Berlinetta.
What's more interesting to me is that I do not seen any influence on the C7 based on the C-X-16 [F type] concept from jag in the day.
Particularly the integrated spoiler that Porsche and Jag were adopting.
IMHO
Last edited by User 2623; 09-03-2013 at 02:16 AM.
#18
No doubt the LFA is a great car, but for some reason it just doesn't do it for me.
I love many of the individual parts of the car, but I feel it was let down by the transmission. The single clutch automatic just seems so half-assed in a car of its caliber.
Love the engine, love the IP with its clever mechanical/electronic integration, love the interior, but was not blown away by the overall package. I think the looks are part of it, coupled with the transmission, coupled with the relatively high weight and insane cost. I always felt that a 458 Italia was a much better overall package.
I really hope Lexus makes a second version that gets a dual clutch transmission, gets the weight down a bit, and cleans up the looks a bit.
Of course if I drove one I'm sure I'd change my mind.
-T
I love many of the individual parts of the car, but I feel it was let down by the transmission. The single clutch automatic just seems so half-assed in a car of its caliber.
Love the engine, love the IP with its clever mechanical/electronic integration, love the interior, but was not blown away by the overall package. I think the looks are part of it, coupled with the transmission, coupled with the relatively high weight and insane cost. I always felt that a 458 Italia was a much better overall package.
I really hope Lexus makes a second version that gets a dual clutch transmission, gets the weight down a bit, and cleans up the looks a bit.
Of course if I drove one I'm sure I'd change my mind.
-T
#19
Le Mans Master
LFA would have been a huge hit at around $100K.
For over $300K it is a very bad, very sad joke.
Seriously who would spend that much on a company who hasn't made a real Hi-Po sports car since 1993?
Also does not look like a Hyper exotic either - It's nice looking and all - like a better looking GTR - But next to a similarly priced Ferrari or Lambo - not even close.
For over $300K it is a very bad, very sad joke.
Seriously who would spend that much on a company who hasn't made a real Hi-Po sports car since 1993?
Also does not look like a Hyper exotic either - It's nice looking and all - like a better looking GTR - But next to a similarly priced Ferrari or Lambo - not even close.
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Well, also understand that toyota loses approx $500k per LFA sold. The car was simply an excersize to build something incredible. I assure you, this car isnt just about the raw performance numbers...its the experience of driving it, sitting in it and HEARING it inside. The car did everything so right...I just was changed the day I drove it. You could daily that car to work, or destroy cars at the track...its an amazing machine. Nothing exists on that car without a purpose. There is a lot about the body people dont know even, when it comes to aero, that was explained to me by the engineers. Its a fantastic machine and worth every damn cent!
The ZR1 should be faster, given the power, torque, and tire advantage. The LFA's tires are of a similar tread pattern to that which you can find on some BMW 1-Series (and some of those BMWs have even better tires, with the Michelin Pilot Super Sport). Toyota's vision with the LFA was similar to that of their approach to the GT86: to deliver a great driver's car, at the expense of outright pace. In German tests with completely stock cars (meaning full lux interior in the LFA with 8-way power adjustable seats, 12-speaker 1000-watt audio system, side-impact and head and driver's knee airbags), they record similar numbers on the Nordschleife. The hi-po version, the Nurburgring Edition, is a bit faster, and even that is running pretty old tire tech.
458 is better resolved, as it should be given Ferrari's decades-long development of its mid-engined platform. Much of its DCT development was amortized with the California. Nothing else in the lineup (perhaps even the planet) shares the LFA's gearbox, and the last time they built anything so exotic was the 2000GT from the '60s. Which brings up a point: If you can afford the LFA, it might be a better investment than a 458 or GT-R. If the 458 is anything like past Ferraris, there will be over 10k of them running around. A 2000GT fetched $1.15M at auction earlier this year.