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Old 10-03-2013, 10:30 AM   #1
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Default Car and Driver Test C7 vs 911

Has anybody read this test yet?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...le-of-contents
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:20 AM   #2
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Supposedly the Corvette won by a few points.
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:25 PM   #3
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:25 PM   #4
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Anyone know if I'll be able to find this issue in stores yet? I normally just read their articles online, but I don't want to wait for this one
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:45 PM   #5
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"Not everyone can drive a pre-stability-control 911 to its limit, and that is the whole point. The 911 wants to teach us something about ourselves every time we drive it. That's the "why.""

I never understand statements like this. So they want a car that is hard to drive at the limits? Masochism is still alive.

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Old 10-03-2013, 04:57 PM   #6
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"Not everyone can drive a pre-stability-control 911 to its limit, and that is the whole point. The 911 wants to teach us something about ourselves every time we drive it. That's the "why.""

I never understand statements like this. So they want a car that is hard to drive at the limits? Masochism is still alive.

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The irony is that the current 911 is described as being very easy to drive at the limit.
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:05 PM   #7
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Nice to know that current technology can significantly improve something that is inherently dysfunctional when used aggressively. A turd can be polished in the 21st century.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:27 PM   #8
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Well I downloaded the .pdf and read it - very interesting. The whole issue is devoted to the 911's 50th anniversary, but the Corvette pooped in the punch bowl. They tested a clapped out, pre-production Stingray with worn tires, but it was still faster than the brand new, full-zoot 911S with PDK by 2.1 seconds at Willow Springs. It was not even close on the track.

The Stingray won the comparo by 5 points, (although 20 were for price). The 911S was not really superior anywhere on the objective measures - it only scored points on the subjective parameters, but one subjective opinion that will really hurt Porsche fans is steering feel - the Stingray was rated as BETTER. Who would have predicted that ??

Altogether the Stingray is every bit as good as the Porsche on the road, and much better on the track. I don't think Chevy could have asked for any better reviews for this car - it really puts the Corvette in a new league.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:51 PM   #9
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Default STINGRAY vs. 911 CARRERA S

Corvette: 7 speed stick
911 S: 7 speed PDK

Corvette vs. 911 S:

0-60: 4.0 vs. 4.0
0-100: 9.2 vs. 9.3
0-150: 23.2 vs. 22.8
1/4 mile: 12.5 @ 116 vs. 12.4 @ 116
Braking 70-0: 142 vs. 147

Overall Points: 207 vs. 202

1.6 mile Streets of Willow track: The Corvette is 2.1 seconds quicker than the 911 S. That is a massive difference.

In the "as tested price" category, the Corvette received 20 points (max), while the Porsche received 1. In the "rear seat space" category, the Corvette received zero (obviously), and the Porsche received 5 (max).

If you take those two categories out, the score is 187 vs. 196. However, and I quote directly from the article, "before you start howling that the Corvette won solely on price, notice that in the stuff that matters to sports car buyers, chassis and powertrain, the Porsche holds a single point lead. Is such a minute edge worth $50,000? $80,000? The Corvette does not win on Dollars. It wins on sense".

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Old 10-07-2013, 10:01 PM   #10
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:19 PM   #11
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Corvette: 7 speed stick
911 S: 7 speed PDK

Corvette vs. 911 S:

0-60: 4.0 vs. 4.0
0-100: 9.2 vs. 9.3
0-150: 23.2 vs. 22.8
1/4 mile: 12.5 @ 116 vs. 12.4 @ 116
Braking 70-0: 142 vs. 147

Overall Points: 207 vs. 202

1.6 mile Streets of Willow track: The Corvette is 2.1 seconds quicker than the 911 S. That is a massive difference.

In the "as tested price" category, the Corvette received 20 points (max), while the Porsche received 1. In the "rear seat space" category, the Corvette received zero (obviously), and the Porsche received 5 (max).

If you take those two categories out, the score is 187 vs. 196. However, and I quote directly from the article, "before you start howling that the Corvette won solely on price, notice that in the stuff that matters to sports car buyers, chassis and powertrain, the Porsche holds a single point lead. Is such a minute edge worth $50,000? $80,000? The Corvette does not win on Dollars. It wins on sense".
Odd that with 60 more hp the Corvette didn't walk away from the 911 once they got past the launch. That part I would not have called.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:23 PM   #12
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Another mid 12 second 1/4 mile time. This is LS3 territory. Someone posted a 12.4 116 earlier today. Why aren't they faster? No disrespect intended, I genuinely want to know. The LT1 shows big hp and tq gains on the dyno. Higher curb weight + green engine + M7?
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:30 PM   #13
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Everybody knows that German cars are better on the drag strip and US cars better in the turns!

Wait a minute...
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:31 PM   #14
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Odd that with 60 more hp the Corvette didn't walk away from the 911 once they got past the launch. That part I would not have called.
Lower percentage of drivetrain losses + better gear ratios in the PDK + lower curb weight (see below)

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Another mid 12 second 1/4 mile time. This is LS3 territory. Someone posted a 12.4 116 earlier today. Why aren't they faster? No disrespect intended, I genuinely want to know. The LT1 shows big hp and tq gains on the dyno. Higher curb weight + green engine + M7?
The curb weight quoted is 3460 LBS vs. 3297 for the 911 S.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:39 PM   #15
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Lower percentage of drivetrain losses + better gear ratios in the PDK + lower curb weight (see below)
I don't think drivetrain losses are a measurable factor.

PDK, gearing, and weight...yes.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:40 PM   #16
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Another mid 12 second 1/4 mile time. This is LS3 territory. Someone posted a 12.4 116 earlier today. Why aren't they faster? No disrespect intended, I genuinely want to know. The LT1 shows big hp and tq gains on the dyno. Higher curb weight + green engine + M7?
I don't think they would have gotten all this positive media attention if the car would have had an 11 second quarter mile and a 3.5 second 0-60 time......but come up short to its competitors on road courses....
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:40 PM   #17
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116 @ 3660 lbs = 445 hp.

With that weight it's only one mph off pace actually
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:48 PM   #18
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Lower percentage of drivetrain losses + better gear ratios in the PDK + lower curb weight (see below)



The curb weight quoted is 3460 LBS vs. 3297 for the 911 S.
I agree those help in the 0-xxx runs. But I expected more trap speed and better 0-100 on the Corvette. I think they got a slow run on the C7. The 911 numbers are pretty consistent with most other test on the car. I don't buy that the C7 is that slow except in very poor conditions. A LS3 is quite a bit faster than their times in trap speed and 0-100.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:49 PM   #19
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I don't think they would have gotten all this positive media attention if the car would have had an 11 second quarter mile and a 3.5 second 0-60 time......but come up short to its competitors on road courses....
Yes I realize there is more to a great sports car then 1/4 mile times, I am just curious about why recent tests don't even show it meeting GM's stated times.
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I agree those help in the 0-xxx runs. But I expected more trap speed and better 0-100 on the Corvette. I think they got a slow run on the C7. The 911 numbers are pretty consistent with most other test on the car. I don't buy that the C7 is that slow except in very poor conditions. A LS3 is quite a bit faster than their times in trap speed and 0-100.
The C7 did well but just think of how much better it would have done if they had been able to get rid of some weight. I predict the Z06 will be a monster especially if they can find some weight savings.
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