This isn't good news...(Z51 Constraint issues)
#81
Safety Car
Remember 1977, when the purchasers of Oldsmobiles thought they were buying an Olds Rocket V-8, only to discover it was a Chevy 350 V-8 when they went to change the oil filter and air filter? That put a stake through the heart of the Oldsmobile reputation, from which it never recovered. Thanks, GM.
#84
I am waiting for the Z51 package because I am buying a Corvette for the actual performance, not just the appearance of performance.
Sure, a lot of the performance is overkill when not on the track, but every little performance refinement makes my daily drive that much quicker and more fun. I routinely drive my current daily driver to some of its limits. Maybe not top speed, but I certainly routinely use bursts of maximum power, turn with max lateral G's, and occasionally use its max braking capability (often wishing it had more).
Just this morning, in the rain, going about 70 around a freeway turn that most cars slow down to about 50 for even when its not raining, I was thinking the Corvette's new electronic rear diff in weather mode sure would be a nice thing to have in the rain I was in (as I blew past a newer BMW 335 coupe being driven like it was afraid to get wet).
I anticipate that the 2014 Corvette Z51 will be quite the upgrade to my old 93 Nissan 300zx, and I look forward to progressing to the point where I can routinely and comfortably drive it to its limits.
(I am the other order with Mr. Conti that got one of his Z51 allocations today).
Sure, a lot of the performance is overkill when not on the track, but every little performance refinement makes my daily drive that much quicker and more fun. I routinely drive my current daily driver to some of its limits. Maybe not top speed, but I certainly routinely use bursts of maximum power, turn with max lateral G's, and occasionally use its max braking capability (often wishing it had more).
Just this morning, in the rain, going about 70 around a freeway turn that most cars slow down to about 50 for even when its not raining, I was thinking the Corvette's new electronic rear diff in weather mode sure would be a nice thing to have in the rain I was in (as I blew past a newer BMW 335 coupe being driven like it was afraid to get wet).
I anticipate that the 2014 Corvette Z51 will be quite the upgrade to my old 93 Nissan 300zx, and I look forward to progressing to the point where I can routinely and comfortably drive it to its limits.
(I am the other order with Mr. Conti that got one of his Z51 allocations today).
#85
I ordered the same time with z51 and carbon roof. if it goes until march - im out ! Ill wait for the z06 at that point
#86
Drifting
I waited until October 3rd and now have a deposit down for a Z51 order when they come out of constraint.
Overall waiting through a constraint is still worlds better than being an owner with a car stuck in Nashville.
#87
So far this thing is just so just right I can't really say any more.
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#88
Melting Slicks
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Yes it will, because of the gear ratios. There is precedent for constraining based on fuel mileage: for example, back in the day, my 2000 coupe was constrained for several weeks because I ordered the 3.42 (iirc) rear gear, and GM needed to produce more cars with the taller ratio to meet CAFE standards.
This current constraint is not a "rumor" - my dealer (Ken F.) is among the most informed Chevy dealers on the planet, and I got an email from him the day the constraint was announced, and acted accordingly.
This current constraint is not a "rumor" - my dealer (Ken F.) is among the most informed Chevy dealers on the planet, and I got an email from him the day the constraint was announced, and acted accordingly.
#91
Team Owner
If true......since I put down a $2500 dip to get the process started and I ordered competition seats my car hasn't been made yet so I and others who ordered comp seats are pretty much at the bottom of the list, that being the case and if it is indeed a year's wait will we be entitled to 2015 cars at the price we signed up for?
#92
If true......since I put down a $2500 dip to get the process started and I ordered competition seats my car hasn't been made yet so I and others who ordered comp seats are pretty much at the bottom of the list, that being the case and if it is indeed a year's wait will we be entitled to 2015 cars at the price we signed up for?
#94
So many conspiracy theories by armchair manufacturing experts! Remember that the media is going for the most salacious headline they can get to beat the competition in clicks. So yes, I can imagine that if they can build only X Z51's a week and there are 50X orders in the system, a very basic analysis based on that single data point gets you to a one year wait time. That meets some editor's standard of journalistic integrity and we all get upset. We're also in the first couple months of production, so I think it's safe to say that suppliers are ramping up production to final levels.
GM gets nothing by responding to this article- they can say it is shorter than a year but they can't and shouldn't give a more precise estimate if their goal is to ship a quality product. Lots of new tech on the Z51- we are free to wait or not wait, but I guarantee that this is not simply a matter of turning a **** on a supplier. Additional capacity is expensive and building for a short peak leaves excess capacity later on, which is expensive in both upkeep and opportunity cost.
GM gets nothing by responding to this article- they can say it is shorter than a year but they can't and shouldn't give a more precise estimate if their goal is to ship a quality product. Lots of new tech on the Z51- we are free to wait or not wait, but I guarantee that this is not simply a matter of turning a **** on a supplier. Additional capacity is expensive and building for a short peak leaves excess capacity later on, which is expensive in both upkeep and opportunity cost.
#95
Melting Slicks
I just finished reading this whole trail, and am wondering if anyone has given thought to the possibility that the Z51 constraint may be linked to the move of the GM Performance Build Center from Wixom MI, to the BG factory.......Are the dry sump LT1 engines hand built by the build center? If yes, then I recall we were told that this move from Wixom to BG, would be completed by 1/1/14.......wonder if the Build Center is having difficulty building engines quick enough in large enough numbers, while still building 427s for the Z28 Camaro, and dealing with the move of equipment, employees, and new employee training????
#96
It's interesting that people don't buy what dealers tell them and this 'article' (read rumor) is based on a dealer or two supposedly telling the author this. I don't buy it. They could be having supplier issues but I wouldn't believe it just based on this article. Nobody quoted either.
#97
Race Director
Can people order the larger tires and rims, and get the aero effect on
a regular model. The rest of the stuff seems worthless for everyday
driving ?????. The price difference is nothing, but if one has
to have it now, would a causal driver even notice
a regular model. The rest of the stuff seems worthless for everyday
driving ?????. The price difference is nothing, but if one has
to have it now, would a causal driver even notice