Just walked away after 3 months of waiting over $995
03-20-2014, 06:32 PM
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The MSRP on the buyers order is $62895 and as I recall that was accurate for Black Z51 coupe 3LT Red Calipers and black wheels at that time.
And now the vette gods are mocking me. I never see C7s out my way and just saw a yellow coupe drive by while walking my dog.
03-20-2014, 06:39 PM
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03-20-2014, 06:56 PM
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I say decent loosely based on low expectations. They paid the lien and I ate the rest figuring no payments for 3 months breaking even. They gave me low ball KBB. They made money on the trade. I traded instead of selling it myself to negate the sales tax. In retrospect I should've at least tested the market and you can bet that'll be the last time I pretrade. I learned the term de-horsing on this forum shortly after I did the trade.
The MSRP on the buyers order is $62895 and as I recall that was accurate for Black Z51 coupe 3LT Red Calipers and black wheels at that time.
And now the vette gods are mocking me. I never see C7s out my way and just saw a yellow coupe drive by while walking my dog.
The MSRP on the buyers order is $62895 and as I recall that was accurate for Black Z51 coupe 3LT Red Calipers and black wheels at that time.
And now the vette gods are mocking me. I never see C7s out my way and just saw a yellow coupe drive by while walking my dog.
Read and understand your contact boys! At least come to the forum before you sign not after.
03-20-2014, 07:47 PM
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I really expected my first thread to be much happier. To make a long story short, Maher in St. Petersburg Fl just completely screwed me over. Apparently the buyers order you sign when you order is only valid when it suits the dealer. I asked for an out the door total which after bickering back and forth (they started at 5k) over MSRP and finally finished at $500 over MSRP plus all the misc crap $495 predelivery fee, etc. They gave me a decent trade on my Porsche.
So yesterday the salesman calls to say the car will be here by next week (it's currently bayed in BG.) and explain about the price increase and I'm covered there BUT the MSRP on my buyers order was an approximation and the new figure is 1k over that. I'm like no way, we have a signed out the door number. He says nope it's an approximation. I'm so livid I say forget it sell the car to someone else and get your profit. So the manager calls today to explain the same thing stating " you do understand the word approximate, right". I would've probably relented up until this point. He says they'll send me a check for the difference of my Porsche trade and cash value whatever that means and that he doesn't want to sell me the car because he doesn't need the headache of a bad survey.
So here I am. Stunned. Without my Porsche I pretraded for who knows what they'll actually send. Prices in the Z51 have increased. I'm probably a jackass for pushing it but in my book a deal is a deal. Just dumbfounded. Not sure the vette was meant to be. I just hate having invested 3 months of my life into this car.
So yesterday the salesman calls to say the car will be here by next week (it's currently bayed in BG.) and explain about the price increase and I'm covered there BUT the MSRP on my buyers order was an approximation and the new figure is 1k over that. I'm like no way, we have a signed out the door number. He says nope it's an approximation. I'm so livid I say forget it sell the car to someone else and get your profit. So the manager calls today to explain the same thing stating " you do understand the word approximate, right". I would've probably relented up until this point. He says they'll send me a check for the difference of my Porsche trade and cash value whatever that means and that he doesn't want to sell me the car because he doesn't need the headache of a bad survey.
So here I am. Stunned. Without my Porsche I pretraded for who knows what they'll actually send. Prices in the Z51 have increased. I'm probably a jackass for pushing it but in my book a deal is a deal. Just dumbfounded. Not sure the vette was meant to be. I just hate having invested 3 months of my life into this car.
Post-up the entire signed contract here on thread, or a LINK to it, so we can give you a hand deciphering it. Second thing; you don't understand what the dealer told you over the phone about getting a difference check for your Porsche, so why don't you ask for clarification? Post up the amount of that check, and the vitals on your used Porsche to see if that figure is even in the ballpark of acceptability. Third thing; you may be dealing with a scumbag dealer - just depends on exactly how your signed contract reads. Do you even have a signed contract with specific details spelling out the terms of the deal on your cars? The dealer may be well within the terms of the contract - IF there is one.
03-20-2014, 07:56 PM
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What about the offset against the sales tax of your pre trade? I would think that was part of the deal. if you walk, the sales tax offset will be lost, that will more than offset the extra bucks they are gouging for.
03-20-2014, 07:58 PM
#48
op what you have here is some amazing advice free..thats what being an owner (or potential owner) of a Vette gets you, you will not be seeing advice like this on the Impala forum. That said, channel your anger into making sure that they think twice about screwing anyone on a vette again, follow through with the BBB, after you do that call "eight on your side" I did they listen and they will immediately call Maher out. Lastly run, don't walk, run to Stingray Steve Hurley (owner) is a stand up guy and cares. I went "hat in hand" with a "BUY Back" from GM on a performance Trim Caddie ATS whose only performance was getting to their service dept (sometimes on a flatbed).They had to agree to sell the most popular car going for cost..and they did....because they cared! Good luck to you brother....now get running 
03-20-2014, 07:59 PM
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I say decent loosely based on low expectations. They paid the lien and I ate the rest figuring no payments for 3 months breaking even. They gave me low ball KBB. They made money on the trade. I traded instead of selling it myself to negate the sales tax. In retrospect I should've at least tested the market and you can bet that'll be the last time I pretrade. I learned the term de-horsing on this forum shortly after I did the trade.
The MSRP on the buyers order is $62895 and as I recall that was accurate for Black Z51 coupe 3LT Red Calipers and black wheels at that time.
And now the vette gods are mocking me. I never see C7s out my way and just saw a yellow coupe drive by while walking my dog.
The MSRP on the buyers order is $62895 and as I recall that was accurate for Black Z51 coupe 3LT Red Calipers and black wheels at that time.
And now the vette gods are mocking me. I never see C7s out my way and just saw a yellow coupe drive by while walking my dog.
FWIW, since you've agreed in spirit to the deal on your trade-in, the lien/negative equity in the Porsche, AND they're only going-up by $1,000.00 from your previous price you stated they now want to charge you for the new Corvette, you might better take the deal in light of the Chevrolet price increase - since you don't seem interested in liquidating your Porsche that has a lien against it, and they're giving you 3-months of payments grace or some such as you related.... Unless you post the contract, (if there is one) it's all conversation at this point....
03-20-2014, 08:00 PM
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The Max tax is $350 even if you buy a $500,000 car so the offset is meaningless.
Sorry it is not $350 it is $300 I posted the wrong amount and Supersonic 427 corrected my mistake
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03-20-2014, 08:06 PM
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This factoid is interesting as Dave@Kerbeck stated that they won't sell to a buyer from a NO sales tax state. Will they sell to a sales tax "capped" state like SC where the max is $350?
03-20-2014, 08:07 PM
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You, as usual, want to post the negative and force someone to PROVE their post.
Very classy--call people LIARS!
GO AWAY TROLL MARK JOE!
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03-20-2014, 08:43 PM
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I am so glad I do not live in NY the land of taxes anymore. Property tax on my NY house was $15,000 a year I pay about $3,000 on my SC house and the SC house is much larger and nicer.
If I was still living in NY I would have paid $6,000 in taxes on the C7 instead of $300
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I should have said will be paying instead would have paid, I did not get my C7 yet
If I was still living in NY I would have paid $6,000 in taxes on the C7 instead of $300
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I should have said will be paying instead would have paid, I did not get my C7 yet
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03-20-2014, 09:33 PM
#57
You could always make up a picket sign and on a day when lots of people are out and about March up and down in front of this dealer. Trust me they don't want this kind of publicity. I had a dealer ruin my high end aftermarket radio in a week old truck. He wanted me to take it out and send it half way across country to get fixed. I said no. We disagreed and 10 minutes of walking and he was writing me a check. Don't let the Ahole off lightly.
03-20-2014, 09:44 PM
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Something sounds a bit strange. I have NEVER met a dealer who would pay off a lien on a trade before they were funded on the new car, either from your check or the banks check. And I've also been told my multiple dealers that a "pre trade" is not a legal transaction in Florida from the tax perspective and they could get serious fines if caught. You only get the sales tax advantage when the trade and new car purchase happen on the same transaction, not 2 transactions separated by months.
03-20-2014, 10:17 PM
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OP, it sounds like you are describing at least two potential instances of your written contract being mis-interpreted
(agreed price for both the new car and your trade).
Don 't post any further information here on a public forum until you get some sound legal advice.
I'm sensing that there's more than $995 at stake here.
G-L ...
(agreed price for both the new car and your trade).
Don 't post any further information here on a public forum until you get some sound legal advice.
I'm sensing that there's more than $995 at stake here.
G-L ...