The power of this forum.
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The power of this forum.
Don’t underestimate the power of a car forum. The best example I have was when BMW introduced the their new 330 E46 3 series available with the “M” package. I ordered one, great car but the steering was lightened up considerably. No “M3” that year so this was the best 3 you were going to get. Problem was they wanted to match Lexus and others and make the car easier to “park”. Tight heavier steering was part of the Ultimate Driving Machine but now it was nicknamed the Ultimate Parking Machine. I guess some marketing feedback suggested lighter steering, big mistake.
The E46 forum was lit up by it. Typical posts but 9 out of 10 were complaining. It went on for 3 months until BMW offered (Free) an upgraded steering rack retrofit that was being developed for the new M3. The entire M3 steering rack would be delivered to your dealer and installed. I went for it. What a difference and the steering felt planted to the road. I still have the car.
It was optional for the customers who complained but I was shocked they went that far.
So don’t think your feedback wont make a difference, GM wants to sell more cars and they have to be listening. I’ve seen some concerns that are raised here and are usually minimized or ridiculed my members?
The C7 is a great car, let’s help GM improve it.
The E46 forum was lit up by it. Typical posts but 9 out of 10 were complaining. It went on for 3 months until BMW offered (Free) an upgraded steering rack retrofit that was being developed for the new M3. The entire M3 steering rack would be delivered to your dealer and installed. I went for it. What a difference and the steering felt planted to the road. I still have the car.
It was optional for the customers who complained but I was shocked they went that far.
So don’t think your feedback wont make a difference, GM wants to sell more cars and they have to be listening. I’ve seen some concerns that are raised here and are usually minimized or ridiculed my members?
The C7 is a great car, let’s help GM improve it.
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It could happen that way. With or without the forum, most engineers get feedback eventually, and figure out some things that aren't working well on their own. Then, they make the corrections. Sometimes, it's mid-model year, sometimes it's with the next year's model. That doesn't discount your premise that the Forum is a method, and a good one, to get info across to the engineers and designers.
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Many people think the HUD is not level but it is an illusion caused by the shape of the hood. If you line up perfectly perpendicular to something that has horizontal lines (like a brick wall), you will see that the HUD is not crooked (assuming the brick lines are level and the car is sitting level).
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Many people think the HUD is not level but it is an illusion caused by the shape of the hood. If you line up perfectly perpendicular to something that has horizontal lines (like a brick wall), you will see that the HUD is not crooked (assuming the brick lines are level and the car is sitting level).
#8
Burning Brakes
Come on Dave...My HUD is level, my seats heat just fine, have NO trouble with either my seat memory settings, or with my informat system. For $65,000.00 the new C7 looks better than the $450,000.00 Ferrari F2, and, it beat the pants off the Ferrari at Laguna Secca on ALL counts. Let's give GM the credit they so richly deserve for the design, engineering, and performance the new C7 represents.
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It's also the launch year. They'll iron out most of these things by MY2016. But yes, your feedback helps.
#11
Drifting
Well if "GM IS INDEED LISTENING". Then GM listen to this: Get rid of that ugly silver bar in the front grille. Thats one thing. Also offer black fish as an option. Thats two. Also offer bright red full length racing stripes as well as the dark red crystal metallic ones. Thats three. And four: offer a similar ZO6 rear spoiler as an "option" on the C7. And please oh please continue to offer the Black Z51-5 spoke wheels. They are so darn cool. One last thing: Please offer the color of "Plum Crazy" as its really cool too. Thank You. Where and when can I place my order???
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Drifting
Oh as long as Iam dreaming there is just one more thing. Why don't you do like BMW did for my "X-5 50I". Which is for $1,795.00 offer a special software package that gets another 40 horsepower. My 2013 BMW X-5, 50I has damn near as much horsepower as the C7. I have 440 horsepower with the extra factory package that I purchased. I still managed to keep the vehichle at $70,000.
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If GM really makes decisions based on comments posted on this forum, then why don't they improve the allocation system, and why don't they fill SOLD orders first? Why do all the cars going to Europe have the Z51 package as standard. Why dose GM make us wait and wait for a Z51 car? I think we the United States of America support GM, not Europe. When will they learn, the Europeans will never admit to what a great car the Corvette is. They are mostly snobs and don't like America in the first place.
I've waited for almost six months for my car because of the allocation system. After talking to numerous people at GM who agree that it's an unfair system and needs to be fixed, but they can't help. I've been on the phone for hours on end, but when it's gets to the nitty gritty, not one single person has the answer or the power to go higher in the chain of command to get things done. The iron curtain still exist, it's between GM and us. The fine people that we are allowed to talk to only have very limited access to the powers that be. GM dictates to their dealerships how they want them to run that dealership and makes them remodel their buildings at the dealers cost and pay the cost of training their mechanics for the privilege of selling Chevy's. The dealership has lost customers because GM won't fill SOLD Corvette orders. It's hurts their reputation if they can't deliver the car you want.
Anyway, if GM is in deed reading these post, well then step up and take care of your loyal customers.
I've waited for almost six months for my car because of the allocation system. After talking to numerous people at GM who agree that it's an unfair system and needs to be fixed, but they can't help. I've been on the phone for hours on end, but when it's gets to the nitty gritty, not one single person has the answer or the power to go higher in the chain of command to get things done. The iron curtain still exist, it's between GM and us. The fine people that we are allowed to talk to only have very limited access to the powers that be. GM dictates to their dealerships how they want them to run that dealership and makes them remodel their buildings at the dealers cost and pay the cost of training their mechanics for the privilege of selling Chevy's. The dealership has lost customers because GM won't fill SOLD Corvette orders. It's hurts their reputation if they can't deliver the car you want.
Anyway, if GM is in deed reading these post, well then step up and take care of your loyal customers.
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Drifting
If GM really makes decisions based on comments posted on this forum, then why don't they improve the allocation system, and why don't they fill SOLD orders first? Why do all the cars going to Europe have the Z51 package as standard. Why dose GM make us wait and wait for a Z51 car? I think we the United States of America support GM, not Europe. When will they learn, the Europeans will never admit to what a great car the Corvette is. They are mostly snobs and don't like America in the first place.
I've waited for almost six months for my car because of the allocation system. After talking to numerous people at GM who agree that it's an unfair system and needs to be fixed, but they can't help. I've been on the phone for hours on end, but when it's gets to the nitty gritty, not one single person has the answer or the power to go higher in the chain of command to get things done. The iron curtain still exist, it's between GM and us. The fine people that we are allowed to talk to only have very limited access to the powers that be. GM dictates to their dealerships how they want them to run that dealership and makes them remodel their buildings at the dealers cost and pay the cost of training their mechanics for the privilege of selling Chevy's. The dealership has lost customers because GM won't fill SOLD Corvette orders. It's hurts their reputation if they can't deliver the car you want.
Anyway, if GM is in deed reading these post, well then step up and take care of your loyal customers.
I've waited for almost six months for my car because of the allocation system. After talking to numerous people at GM who agree that it's an unfair system and needs to be fixed, but they can't help. I've been on the phone for hours on end, but when it's gets to the nitty gritty, not one single person has the answer or the power to go higher in the chain of command to get things done. The iron curtain still exist, it's between GM and us. The fine people that we are allowed to talk to only have very limited access to the powers that be. GM dictates to their dealerships how they want them to run that dealership and makes them remodel their buildings at the dealers cost and pay the cost of training their mechanics for the privilege of selling Chevy's. The dealership has lost customers because GM won't fill SOLD Corvette orders. It's hurts their reputation if they can't deliver the car you want.
Anyway, if GM is in deed reading these post, well then step up and take care of your loyal customers.
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Come on Dave...My HUD is level, my seats heat just fine, have NO trouble with either my seat memory settings, or with my informat system. For $65,000.00 the new C7 looks better than the $450,000.00 Ferrari F2, and, it beat the pants off the Ferrari at Laguna Secca on ALL counts. Let's give GM the credit they so richly deserve for the design, engineering, and performance the new C7 represents.
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Come on Dave...My HUD is level, my seats heat just fine, have NO trouble with either my seat memory settings, or with my informat system. For $65,000.00 the new C7 looks better than the $450,000.00 Ferrari F2, and, it beat the pants off the Ferrari at Laguna Secca on ALL counts. Let's give GM the credit they so richly deserve for the design, engineering, and performance the new C7 represents.
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Le Mans Master
Lets not forget the hit or miss paint jobs. I have yet to see a new C7 with paint that I would be satisfied with. Those that seem to find no fault with their paint are much too forgiving or have visual issues.
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Safety Car
I also had an E46 during the era the OP describes and recall the steering fiasco well. THAT issue was essentially universal among BMW owners. MOST of the stuff you see on this forum (including this thread) are relatively isolated cases. I know some will take issue with that but I can honestly tell you my HUD is straight, my paint is fine (and that is REALLY a subjective thing to complain about), my fish are black ($4 fix), my retainer is black ($15 fix), my infotainment is fine, etc. etc. I agree the allocation / ordering system is jacked but it is what it is. I'm really happy with my car.
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Le Mans Master
I imagine that GM reads our posts from time to time and we do have GM customer service reps....... but I think that is the extent of their participation unless there is a major problem.
So far most of the stuff that as gone awry for the early owners has not been major. The C6 had dead battery syndrome, loose harmonic balancers & etc. For a first year car I think we have been very lucky so far. The car definitely needs a bit of tweaking which will probably happen over time.
So far most of the stuff that as gone awry for the early owners has not been major. The C6 had dead battery syndrome, loose harmonic balancers & etc. For a first year car I think we have been very lucky so far. The car definitely needs a bit of tweaking which will probably happen over time.