If you have PDR, it's illegal to use it in Valet Mode
09-24-2014, 07:37 AM
#42
09-24-2014, 09:53 AM
#44
Le Mans Master
09-24-2014, 09:59 AM
#45
Team Owner
FedEx just dropped off my letter from GM... bla.. bla.. bla..
refrain from using until update.. bla..bla..bla.
refrain from using until update.. bla..bla..bla.
09-24-2014, 11:03 AM
#47
Pro
If you do not let them update do they impound your car?
I for one like it the way it is and will try to avoid an update.
The update will probably be something like the notice for the old nav system that you must inform user or passenger of its use. That will probably only be in the Valet mode only
I for one like it the way it is and will try to avoid an update.
The update will probably be something like the notice for the old nav system that you must inform user or passenger of its use. That will probably only be in the Valet mode only
09-24-2014, 11:44 AM
#48
Jukebox Graduate
If you do not let them update do they impound your car?
I for one like it the way it is and will try to avoid an update.
The update will probably be something like the notice for the old nav system that you must inform user or passenger of its use. That will probably only be in the Valet mode only
I for one like it the way it is and will try to avoid an update.
The update will probably be something like the notice for the old nav system that you must inform user or passenger of its use. That will probably only be in the Valet mode only
09-24-2014, 01:30 PM
#50
which is why I don't understand why some people on here are being so cavalier about potentially committing felonies.
09-24-2014, 01:38 PM
#51
09-24-2014, 02:44 PM
#52
Burning Brakes
Well it would depend how the justice system would determine who is criminally responsible. GM or the owner of the vehicle.
09-24-2014, 02:49 PM
#53
Hell, I'm just a dumb civil attorney, but I don't think I would trust that I could get off the hook for a charge of felony wiretapping as a result turning on the sound recorder by saying "GM designed the system, blame them"
09-24-2014, 03:09 PM
#54
Burning Brakes
Just got my letter as well.
I'd just hope the update would be a message that would informed of the audio recording and a YES you accept or NO you do not, and at this point then the owner either parks the car or cancels Valet mode because of the NO.
I'd just hope the update would be a message that would informed of the audio recording and a YES you accept or NO you do not, and at this point then the owner either parks the car or cancels Valet mode because of the NO.
09-24-2014, 03:09 PM
#55
Correctly to my previous post:
Using the PDR to make a video only recording is legal in all 50 states. Using the PDR to make a video AND AUDIO recording without the owner in the car is illegal in these 13 states:
California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington State.
In all other states you should be fine; you can find a list of state laws on the subject here: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/state-law-recording.
Using the PDR to make a video only recording is legal in all 50 states. Using the PDR to make a video AND AUDIO recording without the owner in the car is illegal in these 13 states:
California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington State.
In all other states you should be fine; you can find a list of state laws on the subject here: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/state-law-recording.
09-24-2014, 03:13 PM
#56
Correctly to my previous post:
Using the PDR to make a video only recording is legal in all 50 states. Using the PDR to make a video AND AUDIO recording without the owner in the car is illegal in these 13 states:
California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington State.
In all other states you should be fine; you can find a list of state laws on the subject here: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/state-law-recording.
Using the PDR to make a video only recording is legal in all 50 states. Using the PDR to make a video AND AUDIO recording without the owner in the car is illegal in these 13 states:
California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington State.
In all other states you should be fine; you can find a list of state laws on the subject here: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/state-law-recording.
Again, I only know Virginia law, but recording audio in your car without the valet's knowledge would be illegal here, unless you or some other person with knowledge was also in the car. One party consent still requires one party's consent - not the consent of you, as a person who put the recorder there and left.
Last edited by Al Blue4.6l; 09-24-2014 at 03:29 PM.
09-24-2014, 03:33 PM
#57
This is starting to give me a headache.
Again, I only know Virginia law, but I can say that recording audio in your car without the valet's knowledge would be illegal here, unless you or some other person with knowledge was also in the car. One party consent still requires one party's consent - not the consent of you, as a person who put the recorder there and left.
Again, I only know Virginia law, but I can say that recording audio in your car without the valet's knowledge would be illegal here, unless you or some other person with knowledge was also in the car. One party consent still requires one party's consent - not the consent of you, as a person who put the recorder there and left.
A person has no reasonable expectation of privacy while in public, in someone else home, or in someone else car, places of business, schools, etc. (perhaps of-coarse in the bathrooms); It appears that the laws are very similar here in Texas as they are in VA. It is this expectation of privacy requirement that allows nanny cams w/ audio, and audio capturing surveillance camera's to be legal.
09-24-2014, 03:45 PM
#58
Really? I thought VA had a requirement that the person being recorded needed to have a reasonable expectation of privacy for the single party rule to come into effect?
A person has no reasonable expectation of privacy while in public, in someone else home, or in someone else car, places of business, schools, etc. (perhaps of-coarse in the bathrooms); It appears that the laws are very similar here in Texas as they are in VA. It is this expectation of privacy requirement that allows nanny cams w/ audio, and audio capturing surveillance camera's to be legal.
A person has no reasonable expectation of privacy while in public, in someone else home, or in someone else car, places of business, schools, etc. (perhaps of-coarse in the bathrooms); It appears that the laws are very similar here in Texas as they are in VA. It is this expectation of privacy requirement that allows nanny cams w/ audio, and audio capturing surveillance camera's to be legal.
I, personally, just plain wouldn't risk it.
09-24-2014, 03:52 PM
#59
It is possible that there is some case law in VA indicating that you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy for the purposes of communications/the wiretapping statute in another person's vehicle, but I am not aware of it. I just ran a quick lexis search and did not find anything addressing it.
I, personally, just plain wouldn't risk it.
I, personally, just plain wouldn't risk it.
Likely the best advice no matter what....
Here in Texas private property of others is excluded by statute.
