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Old 10-06-2014, 01:29 PM
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Its a photoshop. There is nothing interesting about that picture.
Old 10-06-2014, 01:32 PM
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If it were up to this forum all Corvettes would still be powered by the Blue Flame as nothing is ever allowed to change.

Kind of like "Camaro taillights?" They would never put Camaro taillights on a Corvette!

This design, as the article clearly states, has reached its limit. The current layout, (not front engine rear drive, but frame, trans, etc.) was designed in the mid 90's. There just isn't a lot more development to be done.

Clearly, the push will be to move towards a mid engine design and a hybrid powerplant with some form of AWD.

GM wants to sell $100k Corvettes and if it can sell 18-20K per year at $100k per copy its better than selling 25-30k at $60k per copy.
Old 10-06-2014, 01:56 PM
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With the major success of the C7, I can see where Chevrolet might take the plunge to compete with Ferrari and have at least 2 platforms to choose from. The Ferrari California T and the 458 Speciale are probably giving the design boys and girls some ideas of "why can't we do that" and we're all playing into their game with all our comments on whether this will fly or not!! I think they might be able to pull it off if they design them right and keep, like they have, one line affordable in the $60,000 - $70,000 range. I don't think they could go beyond 2 different platforms, but I think they just might be able to pull this off!!
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Originally Posted by Priz23
And would Chevy sabotage the c7 by rolling out a Camaro that weighs less than the c7?
I see ATS curb weight reported as 3315-3461 lbs, and it is the same basic platform the new Camaro will be built on. You figure how much a V8 would add and you'll have an idea if this is possible. (Some sources say Camaro will be built on the longer CTS platform version, introducing another source of variability in estimates.) I have seen 3298 as weight of current C7 coupe.

Of course, fuel economy regs are pushing down curb weights, and neither C7/future C8 nor Camaro are immune. If one redesign comes out before the other, there certainly might be lighter Camaros.
Old 10-06-2014, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by theanswriz42
No, I can definitively state there will be an electric, mid engine, corvette hybrid in 2019 with a flux capacitor so it can fly above traffic and through time so you'll never be late to work again!
Naw - I got that covered already. I'll never be late for work again anyway - I'm retired!



Originally Posted by Daekwan06
Its a photoshop. There is nothing interesting about that picture.
That's a pretty definitive statement. Can you show why it's a photochop?

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Old 10-06-2014, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
That's a pretty definitive statement. Can you show why it's a photochop?
I was curious about that too...

And why would anyone photoshop a Malibu?

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Old 10-06-2014, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
That's a pretty definitive statement. Can you show why it's a photochop?
He cant....just in his mind!
Old 10-06-2014, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jimb100

This design, as the article clearly states, has reached its limit. The current layout, (not front engine rear drive, but frame, trans, etc.) was designed in the mid 90's. There just isn't a lot more development to be done.
The current design will soon be irrelevant just like old men and their dated opinions.
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Originally Posted by 00247
The current design will soon be irrelevant just like old men and their dated opinions.
Yeah - like:

Socrates
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Newton
Franklin
Jefferson
JFK
MLK

........and so many others.
Old 10-07-2014, 06:08 AM
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DUPE POST ....wonder why it wasn't closed like ones posted ''before ''it
Old 10-07-2014, 10:40 AM
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I think GM maybe be "reaching" with saying that the current model has reached it's performance limit. Simply look at some of the tuners on this forum.
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Originally Posted by lastcowboy
DUPE POST ....wonder why it wasn't closed like ones posted ''before ''it
The mods should combine all of the threads in a single thread again, then *STICKY* the thread. There's at least 4 of these threads after the mods consolidated.
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Interesting news. The first article I've read where the base car will be mid-engine (and hopefully priced for the masses).

Usually read that there will be a mid-engine $150K version and front engine "masses car.

Quite excited to see a mid-engine across the board Corvette proposed.
Old 10-07-2014, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SG_Ret
Interesting news. The first article I've read where the base car will be mid-engine (and hopefully priced for the masses).

Usually read that there will be a mid-engine $150K version and front engine "masses car.

Quite excited to see a mid-engine across the board Corvette proposed.
It would be nice to see an american company produce a purpose built mid engine sports car. I've been a long time fan of the Corvette and I've come close to owning one a few times. Now I want a mid engine car but the only ones within my reach are the Lotus Evora or the Porsche Cayman.

The possibility of a mid engine corvette in the $70k-$80k range is worth waiting for.

I'm only speaking for myself here, not the corvette community at large. I believe that a mid engine corvette would really aimed at an entirely different demographic then today's excellent C7 platform. Honestly I could see GM making both platforms in all trim levels side-by-side for a while.
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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
Yeah - like:

Socrates
Descartes
Newton
Franklin
Jefferson
JFK
MLK

........and so many others.
I think you made my point. They were all forward thinkers for their time and advanced on what was already known. Irrelevant old men told them, your wrong, you can't, it's been tried before. Advance the Corvette!
Old 10-07-2014, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 00247
I think you made my point. They were all forward thinkers for their time and advanced on what was already known. Irrelevant old men told them, your wrong, you can't, it's been tried before. Advance the Corvette!
Hmm, maybe so. My point is that they were all "old" in relative terms when they advocated their advances. They weren't some 20 something start up entrepreneur trying to get an IPO for the latest iPhone app!

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Old 10-07-2014, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnFather
Ford did it with the GT don't see why Gm can't time will tell .
Yep Johnny,they built just over 4,000 of them across a two year span, and it took about four years to sell them. I'm sure GM does not want to repeat that result.

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Old 10-07-2014, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Priz23
And would Chevy sabotage the c7 by rolling out a Camaro that weighs less than the c7?
Lulz, good luck with that one... I remember when people thought the C7 was going to be 3K lbs... And then when people thought the S550 Stang was going to drop 300 lbs.

People always get their hopes up and start BS rumors about weight (or specs in general, I suppose).

This MR talk may be no different, but I hope it is.
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Originally Posted by jackhall99
Yep Johnny,they built just over 4,000 of them across a two year span, and it took about four years to sell them. I'm sure GM does not want to repeat that result.
List price for Ford GT was $140K and then $150K, equal to $176-177K in current dollars. Also GT was about 5 1/2 inches lower than current C7, probably too low (and too expensive) for daily-driver status. It's not surprising sales were not huge, though I think Ford sold almost as many as originally planned (4500, according to Wikipedia).

The above helps explain the sales figure, as does the fact that the GT was a kind of a publicity stunt, not really a continuation of the very different original GT40 race cars.

A mid engine C8 at a more reasonable price (for lower-content cars) might do well at prices closer to current C7, I think. As I have mentioned before, the competition for new C6 cars included used C5 & C6s. C7 has been new enough that hasn't kicked in as yet, but it will become a factor going forward. A mid-engine C8 would again have that "all-new" cachet, but if it sold for $150-$200K it would be abandoning the Corvette market niche.

So, you're quite right that none of this is guaranteed. The devil is in the details for such a mid-engine car.



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