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Old 03-04-2015, 03:25 PM
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In general, the rear wheel dyno numbers posted here for C7s have been in the range of say 400HP/410 torque to maybe 415/420.

I find it interesting that the April 2015 issue of Car & Driver has two articles that address a 2015 Chevy SS which has a 6 liter LS series engine rated at 415HP/x? torque. C&D said that the car had 299HP/299 ft lbs at the rear wheels.

Of course I don’t know what type of dyno was used but being 100+ down on HP compared to the C7 is interesting. Don
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That doesn't sound reasonable to me. I'd expect something around 360 HP to the wheels on a 415 HP car.
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Originally Posted by theanswriz42
That doesn't sound reasonable to me. I'd expect something around 360 HP to the wheels on a 415 HP car.


Sounds like something's messed up. 299 at the wheels on a 415 hp car doesn't sound right at all.
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Originally Posted by theanswriz42
That doesn't sound reasonable to me. I'd expect something around 360 HP to the wheels on a 415 HP car.
I agree with you but I’m only reporting exactly what the magazine printed. Those numbers also don’t correspond with a 1/4 time of 12.9 in a 4000# car. Don
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Their dyno needs a lube job!
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They need to take the parking brake off.
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Driveline loss is "generally" between 14-17%. The claimed numbers are definitely pretty low. The article is either not reporting accurate information, or there is significant parasitic drain somewhere. I suspect the former.
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here is a stock SS dynoing for a baseline... made 359whp

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I had always heard subtract about 10% for wheel HP.
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Originally Posted by thrilled
I had always heard subtract about 10% for wheel HP.
Funny, I've always heard and read that as a general rule, 15% is the number most frequently used and recognized as appropriate....perhaps 1or 2% higher for some automatic transmission vehicles, and 1 or 2% lower for some with manual transmissions.
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Originally Posted by 11B250
here is a stock SS dynoing for a baseline... made 359whp

2014 Chevrolet SS - Baseline Dyno Testing at Hennessey Performance - YouTube
This is 13% drive line loss which I would say is a good bench mark. For the LT1, I would say 12% is a good ball park: 460 hp x .88 = 405 hp at the wheel with M7...
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Dyno numbers tend to be all over the place. I think the usual correction factor is 15% for a manual transmission and more for an automatic.

The only real value for these tests is for when you are making changes to the car so that you can see if it is helping or not. But even that is suspect, since it is not unusual to see gains over the first run on subsequent runs without making any changes. Is that the car "learning" its' tune, lubricants warming up, or the dyno itself?

Maybe that Chevy SS cited was grossly out of tune, like some people suspected that the Z06 was when compared to the GTR at Willow Springs.

If you can always count on dyno numbers, then I have one of the world's most powerful stock LS6's.
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Originally Posted by dovervold
This is 13% drive line loss which I would say is a good bench mark. For the LT1, I would say 12% is a good ball park: 460 hp x .88 = 405 hp at the wheel with M7...


That seems to be the numbers I am hearing.
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11-12%

M7 C7's average 410whp
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I don’t know why I didn’t think of it before but that 299 HP number sounds just about right taking 17% off of the 361 HP rating of the G8GT with the 6 speed auto, the only transmission available that year, our second car.

Sounds like perhaps C&D grabbed the wrong dyno number? Don
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Dynos vary a lot as well. That is a big gap though.
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Originally Posted by dovervold
This is 13% drive line loss which I would say is a good bench mark. For the LT1, I would say 12% is a good ball park: 460 hp x .88 = 405 hp at the wheel with M7...
yeah... I've seen them dyno anywhere between 400 and 415

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