Arrests for Corvette owners in Street Racing Sting in Houston - PDR used as evidence?
04-01-2015, 09:22 AM
#81
Safety Car
04-01-2015, 10:12 AM
#82
Team Owner
04-01-2015, 12:55 PM
#83
Le Mans Master
Yeah, it sucks for them....but how many of us really buy a Corvette or invest $$$ simply for car shows and posted limit cruises and not once ever testing some sort of performance limits out on the streets? I got it....."Take it to the track", but the track isn't always a convenience.
I don't engage in or condone street racing either but sheesh.
Amen.
You want iron fist control over your driving habits and everyone else's - stop buying Corvettes and go get yourself one of the new Ford's that are being piloted that 'reads' speed limit signs and prevents the driver from exceeding it. Oh, how so many of you must long for the days when self driving private and government nanny cars take over from us reckless fools. I am still young enough to remember what American rebellion and freedom is like and to appreciate it. Old enough to know when not to endanger others with my fun. Independent enough that I don't need the government telling me exactly what to do, how to do, when to do it, and if I am having fun or not.
You want iron fist control over your driving habits and everyone else's - stop buying Corvettes and go get yourself one of the new Ford's that are being piloted that 'reads' speed limit signs and prevents the driver from exceeding it. Oh, how so many of you must long for the days when self driving private and government nanny cars take over from us reckless fools. I am still young enough to remember what American rebellion and freedom is like and to appreciate it. Old enough to know when not to endanger others with my fun. Independent enough that I don't need the government telling me exactly what to do, how to do, when to do it, and if I am having fun or not.
And your holier-than-thou soapbox ranting is going nowhere either...aside from making my head hurt.
There is a time and place to get on it...a time and place where you can do it against another car mildly, generally-safely and without endangering the public.
If in one sentence you're basically saying we shouldn't enjoy our sports cars in that manner...and the next you're saying hey, it's ok, then you're just ranting (and apparently like to whine and complain).
Blatant street racing, especially under the wrong conditions and in the wrong location is absolutely moronic. I agree, however the way you deliver yourself makes you seem like this guy;
04-01-2015, 03:21 PM
#84
Pro
Well U8 DU5t, you got that wrong because you don't understand what "Cognitive Distraction" is. You should check out his link to educate yourself: http://www.fnal.gov/pub/traffic_safe...ing%203-10.pdf
IN PART:
Hands-free devices often are seen as a solution to the risks of driver distraction because they help eliminate two obvious risks – visual, looking away from the road and manual, removing your hands off of the steering wheel. However, a third type of distraction can occur when using cell phones while driving – cognitive, taking your mind off the road.
Hands-free devices do not eliminate cognitive distraction.
The amount of exposure to each risk is key. Crashes are a function of the severity of each risk and how often the risk occurs. Most people can recognize when they are visually or mechanically distracted and seek to disengage from these activities as quickly as possible. However, people typically do not realize when they are cognitively distracted, such as taking part in a phone conversation; therefore, the risk lasts much, much longer. This likely explains why researchers have not been able to find a safety benefit to hands-free phone conversations.
The National Safety Council has compiled more than 30 research studies and reports by scientists around the world that used a variety of research methods, to compare driver performance with handheld and hands-free phones. All of these studies show hands-free phones offer no safety benefit when driving (Appendix A). Conversation occurs on both handheld and hands-free phones. The cognitive distraction from paying attention to conversation – from listening and responding to a disembodied voice – contributes to numerous driving impairments. Specific driving risks are discussed in detail later in this paper. First, let us look at why hands-free and handheld cell phone conversations can impair your driving ability.
Hands-free devices offer no safety benefit when driving.
Hands-free devices do not eliminate cognitive distraction.
IN PART:
Hands-free devices often are seen as a solution to the risks of driver distraction because they help eliminate two obvious risks – visual, looking away from the road and manual, removing your hands off of the steering wheel. However, a third type of distraction can occur when using cell phones while driving – cognitive, taking your mind off the road.
Hands-free devices do not eliminate cognitive distraction.
The amount of exposure to each risk is key. Crashes are a function of the severity of each risk and how often the risk occurs. Most people can recognize when they are visually or mechanically distracted and seek to disengage from these activities as quickly as possible. However, people typically do not realize when they are cognitively distracted, such as taking part in a phone conversation; therefore, the risk lasts much, much longer. This likely explains why researchers have not been able to find a safety benefit to hands-free phone conversations.
The National Safety Council has compiled more than 30 research studies and reports by scientists around the world that used a variety of research methods, to compare driver performance with handheld and hands-free phones. All of these studies show hands-free phones offer no safety benefit when driving (Appendix A). Conversation occurs on both handheld and hands-free phones. The cognitive distraction from paying attention to conversation – from listening and responding to a disembodied voice – contributes to numerous driving impairments. Specific driving risks are discussed in detail later in this paper. First, let us look at why hands-free and handheld cell phone conversations can impair your driving ability.
Hands-free devices offer no safety benefit when driving.
Hands-free devices do not eliminate cognitive distraction.
04-01-2015, 07:45 PM
#85
Safety Car
04-01-2015, 08:15 PM
#86
Although a police officer can search a suspects car and seize evidence without a search warrant, they could not review the contents of the memory card without a warrant. The US Supreme Court ruled unanimously last year that a search of electronic devices requires a warrant. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/us...vacy.html?_r=0
Although in this situation, an officer would be easily be able to articulate the probable cause based on his observations and obtain a warrant, it would still take time and effort.
Many local law enforcement officers may know about the warrant requirement, and the average public defender may not challenge it.
In this instance, i believe the officers were the one making the PDR recording. There are no warramt issues there. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy on the open road, hence the recording does not violate the suspects 4th amendment rights. The officers being recorded in the background are consenting parties to the recording. One legal challenge the officers could face would be the certification of the accuracy of any data superimposed on the video (i.e. speed, location) if those data were pertinent to the charges. Of course, an expert witness subpoena to a Chevy engineer or Cosworth could address those concerns.
Although in this situation, an officer would be easily be able to articulate the probable cause based on his observations and obtain a warrant, it would still take time and effort.
Many local law enforcement officers may know about the warrant requirement, and the average public defender may not challenge it.
In this instance, i believe the officers were the one making the PDR recording. There are no warramt issues there. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy on the open road, hence the recording does not violate the suspects 4th amendment rights. The officers being recorded in the background are consenting parties to the recording. One legal challenge the officers could face would be the certification of the accuracy of any data superimposed on the video (i.e. speed, location) if those data were pertinent to the charges. Of course, an expert witness subpoena to a Chevy engineer or Cosworth could address those concerns.
04-01-2015, 08:19 PM
#87
So is there a quick way to deleting the data, or should you pop the card out and eat it? I'm kidding, but this might be a case for the micro SD card to SD adaptor setup. You could literally pop the micro SD card out of the adapter and eat it. About the size of an MnM.
04-01-2015, 10:19 PM
#88
Strangely...it seems many on this forum. I'd venture to guess many of the guys making the most noise are old fuddy-duddy's that can hardly crack a smile anymore.
I don't engage in or condone street racing either but sheesh.
And your holier-than-thou soapbox ranting is going nowhere either...aside from making my head hurt.
There is a time and place to get on it...a time and place where you can do it against another car mildly, generally-safely and without endangering the public.
If in one sentence you're basically saying we shouldn't enjoy our sports cars in that manner...and the next you're saying hey, it's ok, then you're just ranting (and apparently like to whine and complain).
Blatant street racing, especially under the wrong conditions and in the wrong location is absolutely moronic. I agree, however the way you deliver yourself makes you seem like this guy;
I don't engage in or condone street racing either but sheesh.
And your holier-than-thou soapbox ranting is going nowhere either...aside from making my head hurt.
There is a time and place to get on it...a time and place where you can do it against another car mildly, generally-safely and without endangering the public.
If in one sentence you're basically saying we shouldn't enjoy our sports cars in that manner...and the next you're saying hey, it's ok, then you're just ranting (and apparently like to whine and complain).
Blatant street racing, especially under the wrong conditions and in the wrong location is absolutely moronic. I agree, however the way you deliver yourself makes you seem like this guy;
Ranting makes you feel good doesn't it?
04-02-2015, 07:25 AM
#89
Drifting
04-02-2015, 08:33 AM
#90
Team Owner
04-02-2015, 03:29 PM
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is anyone going to talk about the DOUCHE NOZZLES that were driving these cars?
it sucks when cars eventually become affordable for such trash. happened with the E46 M3, the B5 S4 and countless others. i guess with enough time, miles and depreciation, the C6Z can be purchased on a best buy salary.
it sucks when cars eventually become affordable for such trash. happened with the E46 M3, the B5 S4 and countless others. i guess with enough time, miles and depreciation, the C6Z can be purchased on a best buy salary.
04-02-2015, 03:35 PM
#93
Le Mans Master
04-02-2015, 04:01 PM
#94
Drifting
is anyone going to talk about the DOUCHE NOZZLES that were driving these cars?
it sucks when cars eventually become affordable for such trash. happened with the E46 M3, the B5 S4 and countless others. i guess with enough time, miles and depreciation, the C6Z can be purchased on a best buy salary.
it sucks when cars eventually become affordable for such trash. happened with the E46 M3, the B5 S4 and countless others. i guess with enough time, miles and depreciation, the C6Z can be purchased on a best buy salary.
04-02-2015, 04:04 PM
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i thought this thread was focused on the corvettes stung in houston, no? i've seen the racing vids of the supercars, but i'm talking about these specific C6s and these specific owners.
04-02-2015, 10:42 PM
#97
I just completed a complete and comprehensive review of my posts and I must admit...your problem is that you can't handle the truth.
Sorry.
04-02-2015, 10:46 PM
#98
Le Mans Master
04-03-2015, 07:37 AM
#99
Drifting
My point was that street racing isn't something that's limited to lower class / lower income individuals.
04-03-2015, 09:02 AM
#100
Melting Slicks
I skipped the option and bought all the gear to add factory Nav. I've got an adapter and a 4gb micro sdcard laying around though. Maybe I'll try it in my dad's car once it gets back up here for the summer. I'd guess it would work but might be more picky about which cards work. Smaller sizes like 4 or 8 GB probably better odds.