2017 HP increase-if history follows suit
#1
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
2017 HP increase-if history follows suit
Since the C4 the 4th year of every new generation had a HP bump.
C4 86 was 3rd yr w 230 hp, 87 was 4th y.- bump of 10hp to 240
C5 99 was 3rd yr w 345 hp, 00 was 4th yr.-bump of 5 hp to 350.
C6 07 was 3rd yr w 400 hp, 08 was 4th yr.-bump of 30 hp to 430
C7 16 will be 3r yr and probably no increase so HP stays at 455 (460 with NPP)
2017 will be the 4th yr and history says there will be a bump in HP. Makes sense as many manufacturers have a mid generation "refresh" to pump some excitement into the current generation till anew model comes out.
So for those comtemplating getting a 2016 this time next year, it might pay to wait for the 2017.
C4 86 was 3rd yr w 230 hp, 87 was 4th y.- bump of 10hp to 240
C5 99 was 3rd yr w 345 hp, 00 was 4th yr.-bump of 5 hp to 350.
C6 07 was 3rd yr w 400 hp, 08 was 4th yr.-bump of 30 hp to 430
C7 16 will be 3r yr and probably no increase so HP stays at 455 (460 with NPP)
2017 will be the 4th yr and history says there will be a bump in HP. Makes sense as many manufacturers have a mid generation "refresh" to pump some excitement into the current generation till anew model comes out.
So for those comtemplating getting a 2016 this time next year, it might pay to wait for the 2017.
#5
Le Mans Master
After spending years modifying cars to push extreme HP, that is over 580 HP, why do you need more than 460 in a Stingray. Most people have problems handling 350 HP, you add more HP, and you get more people in trouble. Sorry, but I have been there, and most time have found when you get around 500 HP on a street car, that is used NOT for racing, but as a cruiser or fun car, the only thing you really have is bragging rights, as you never can use that much HP on the street without eventually getting into trouble or worse.
that is IMHO...and from experience.
Let the flaming begin....
that is IMHO...and from experience.
Let the flaming begin....
#6
After spending years modifying cars to push extreme HP, that is over 580 HP, why do you need more than 460 in a Stingray. Most people have problems handling 350 HP, you add more HP, and you get more people in trouble. Sorry, but I have been there, and most time have found when you get around 500 HP on a street car, that is used NOT for racing, but as a cruiser or fun car, the only thing you really have is bragging rights, as you never can use that much HP on the street without eventually getting into trouble or worse.
that is IMHO...and from experience.
Let the flaming begin....
that is IMHO...and from experience.
Let the flaming begin....
That being said I am really wanting to get into the 1/2 mile and mile racing along with the HPDE every now and then
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after spending years modifying cars to push extreme hp, that is over 580 hp, why do you need more than 460 in a stingray. Most people have problems handling 350 hp, you add more hp, and you get more people in trouble. Sorry, but i have been there, and most time have found when you get around 500 hp on a street car, that is used not for racing, but as a cruiser or fun car, the only thing you really have is bragging rights, as you never can use that much hp on the street without eventually getting into trouble or worse.
That is imho...and from experience.
Let the flaming begin....
That is imho...and from experience.
Let the flaming begin....
#8
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Tadge, are you listening, we don't need no stinking horsepower increase in 2017. Do a different mid model refresh and keep our insurance rates down plus nobody is buying one in 2017, they are all buying em now.....(just having fun-don't take me seriously on this)
Last edited by Corgidog1; 04-06-2015 at 11:49 AM.
#9
Team Owner
No way would I wait for what might be, then if nothing significant changes for 2017 do you wait for 2018, 2019........................
#11
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Plus it is an interesting observation how the 4th yr of a corvette model (since the C4) brings about HP increases.
Last edited by Corgidog1; 04-06-2015 at 01:20 PM.
#12
They could up it easy close to 500 for bragging rights.
#13
Team Owner
boy, talk about cherry picking the numbers trying to prove a point(and then drawing a conclusion from those numbers that is major fail).
Using your logic as to when the C7 will have a horsepower increase based on the C4 is crazy.
1984--205HP
1985--230HP
1986--230HP
1987--240HP
1988--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1989--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1990--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1991--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1992--300HP/375HP ZR1
1993--300HP/405HP ZR1
1994--300HP/405HP ZR1
1995--300HP/405HP ZR1
1996--300Hp/330HP GS and optional in base C4.
Using your logic based on the C4, the C7 should have had a horsepower increase in 2015 and will have another increase in 2107, another increase in 2018, another increase in 2020, another increase in 2022, another increase in 2026.
On to the C5's...
1998--345HP
1999--345HP
1999--345HP
2000--345HP
2001--350HP/385HP Z06
2002--350HP/405HP Z06
2003--350HP/405HP Z06
2004--350HP/405HP Z06
Again, using our logic based on the C5's horsepower increases the 2018 C7(and not 2017 as you said) will have a horsepower increase, and then none after that.
That completely contradicts you logic on using the C4's horsepower increase to predict when the C7 will have horsepower increases.
Now, on to the C6....
2005--400HP
2006--400HP/505HP Z06
2007--400HP/505HP Z06
2008--430/436HP//505Hp Z06
2009--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2010--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2011--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2012--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2013--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
Again using your logic, using the C6 horsepower increase to predict the C7's then the 2017 will have a horsepower increase, and not at all consistent with the C4's or the C5's horsepower increases.
I won't even get into using your logic to predict the C7 Z06's horsepower increase based on the C5 Z06 and the C6 Z06 horsepower.
Using your logic as to when the C7 will have a horsepower increase based on the C4 is crazy.
1984--205HP
1985--230HP
1986--230HP
1987--240HP
1988--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1989--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1990--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1991--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1992--300HP/375HP ZR1
1993--300HP/405HP ZR1
1994--300HP/405HP ZR1
1995--300HP/405HP ZR1
1996--300Hp/330HP GS and optional in base C4.
Using your logic based on the C4, the C7 should have had a horsepower increase in 2015 and will have another increase in 2107, another increase in 2018, another increase in 2020, another increase in 2022, another increase in 2026.
On to the C5's...
1998--345HP
1999--345HP
1999--345HP
2000--345HP
2001--350HP/385HP Z06
2002--350HP/405HP Z06
2003--350HP/405HP Z06
2004--350HP/405HP Z06
Again, using our logic based on the C5's horsepower increases the 2018 C7(and not 2017 as you said) will have a horsepower increase, and then none after that.
That completely contradicts you logic on using the C4's horsepower increase to predict when the C7 will have horsepower increases.
Now, on to the C6....
2005--400HP
2006--400HP/505HP Z06
2007--400HP/505HP Z06
2008--430/436HP//505Hp Z06
2009--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2010--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2011--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2012--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2013--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
Again using your logic, using the C6 horsepower increase to predict the C7's then the 2017 will have a horsepower increase, and not at all consistent with the C4's or the C5's horsepower increases.
I won't even get into using your logic to predict the C7 Z06's horsepower increase based on the C5 Z06 and the C6 Z06 horsepower.
Last edited by JoesC5; 04-06-2015 at 02:09 PM.
#14
Safety Car
I did wait until 2015 to get the A8, but I wouldn't wait just to get an hp bump. However, if that is worth the wait to some, so be it. It's their money and if they want to wait I could understand it. I had a 2005 C6 and I can honestly say after driving one with an LS3, I did wish I would've purchased a later model. The LS3 was a noticeable difference from my LS2.
#15
Drifting
Why would someone wait to enjoy this car.. for 10..20..30.. even a 50HP bump is beyond me??? Just buy a used one that has already taken the hit in depreciation and trade it in if U fancy the '17 when it arrives. U couyld probably find a '14 right now with less than 5K on the ODO, because of the arrival of the Z06 and the new upgrades for '15, for about $5-8K off the original price.
#16
I did wait until 2015 to get the A8, but I wouldn't wait just to get an hp bump. However, if that is worth the wait to some, so be it. It's their money and if they want to wait I could understand it. I had a 2005 C6 and I can honestly say after driving one with an LS3, I did wish I would've purchased a later model. The LS3 was a noticeable difference from my LS2.
It's better than waiting for New Year's for a diet change that won't last!
#17
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
boy, talk about cherry picking the numbers trying to prove a point(and then drawing a conclusion from those numbers that is major fail).
Using your logic as to when the C7 will have a horsepower increase based on the C4 is crazy.
1984--205HP
1985--230HP
1986--230HP
1987--240HP
1988--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1989--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1990--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1991--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1992--300HP/375HP ZR1
1993--300HP/405HP ZR1
1994--300HP/405HP ZR1
1995--300HP/405HP ZR1
1996--300Hp/330HP GS and optional in base C4.
Using you logic based on the C4, the C7 should have had a horsepower increase in 2015 and will have another increase in 2107, another increase in 2018, another increase in 2020, another increase in 2022, another increase in 2026.
On to the C5's...
1998--345HP
1999--345HP
1999--345HP
2000--350HP
2001--350HP/385HP Z06
2002--350HP/405HP Z06
2003--350HP/405HP Z06
2004--350HP/405HP Z06
Again, using our logic based on the C5's horsepower increases the 2018 C7(and not 2017 as you said) will have a horsepower increase, and then none after that.
That completely contradicts you logic on using the C4's horsepower increase to predict when the C7 will have horsepower increases.
Now, on to the C6....
2005--400HP
2006--400HP/505HP Z06
2007--400HP/505HP Z06
2008--430/436HP//505Hp Z06
2009--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2010--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2011--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2012--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2013--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
Again using your logic, using the C6 horsepower increase to predict the C7's then the 2017 will have a horsepower increase, and not at all consistent with the C4's or the C5's horsepower increases.
I won't even get into using your logic to predict the C7 Z06's horsepower increase based on the C5 Z06 and the C6 Z06 horsepower.
Using your logic as to when the C7 will have a horsepower increase based on the C4 is crazy.
1984--205HP
1985--230HP
1986--230HP
1987--240HP
1988--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1989--240HP conv/245HP coupe
1990--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1991--245HP conv/250HP coupe/375HP ZR1
1992--300HP/375HP ZR1
1993--300HP/405HP ZR1
1994--300HP/405HP ZR1
1995--300HP/405HP ZR1
1996--300Hp/330HP GS and optional in base C4.
Using you logic based on the C4, the C7 should have had a horsepower increase in 2015 and will have another increase in 2107, another increase in 2018, another increase in 2020, another increase in 2022, another increase in 2026.
On to the C5's...
1998--345HP
1999--345HP
1999--345HP
2000--350HP
2001--350HP/385HP Z06
2002--350HP/405HP Z06
2003--350HP/405HP Z06
2004--350HP/405HP Z06
Again, using our logic based on the C5's horsepower increases the 2018 C7(and not 2017 as you said) will have a horsepower increase, and then none after that.
That completely contradicts you logic on using the C4's horsepower increase to predict when the C7 will have horsepower increases.
Now, on to the C6....
2005--400HP
2006--400HP/505HP Z06
2007--400HP/505HP Z06
2008--430/436HP//505Hp Z06
2009--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2010--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2011--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2012--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
2013--430/436HP//505HP Z06/638HP ZR1
Again using your logic, using the C6 horsepower increase to predict the C7's then the 2017 will have a horsepower increase, and not at all consistent with the C4's or the C5's horsepower increases.
I won't even get into using your logic to predict the C7 Z06's horsepower increase based on the C5 Z06 and the C6 Z06 horsepower.
Last edited by Corgidog1; 04-06-2015 at 02:18 PM.
#18
You say wait as if its 3 or 4 months from now. A 17 is a minimum 18 months away. Thats a long time. I would never wait that long for a car! Hell i barely keep my cars for more then 2 years to begin with lol.
#19
Safety Car
I just hate how people on the forum try to chastise others because they choose to use their money, and their decision, on the car they are going to drive. But that's the internet, people love telling others how stupid they are for doing something they wouldn't. I can honestly see why someone would wait another year model for certain things. If the model upgrades hp to about 500 I can see waiting. Personally, I think the HP boost will be to 485.
#20
Team Owner
Not a cherry pick once you correct your chart. In 2000 the C5 went up to 350HP not 2001. With that correction, you will note that every fourth yr there is an increase in HP. (I'm ignoring 1984 due to the year gap and carryover crossfire engine engine from 1982). This falls in line with the concept of mid model refresh and I was not referring to Z06 and did not quote their HP numbers. Seems like a good conclusion to make to me based on prior history and the concept of mid model reresh. Did it with the C4,C5, and C6 in the past.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2000/...pecifications/
http://www.corvette-web-central.com/...orsepower.html
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...2000specs.html
http://www.thevettenet.com/corvette_specs.php?year=2000
http://cars-specs.com/chevrolet/2000-corvette-coupe/
http://www.autoblog.com/buy/2000-Che...orvette/specs/
Now, if you want to read the GM press release on the 2000 Corvette, stating that the 2000 Corvette has 345 horsepower...
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...2000press.html
Now you post the URL's of six sites that show the 2000 Corvette with 350 HP.
Kind of blows a hole in your "logic", doesn't it?
Last edited by JoesC5; 04-06-2015 at 02:43 PM.