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Old 11-20-2015, 04:22 PM
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Default 2016 Camaro SS, C7's Biggest Competitor?

I've been seeing quite a few 2016 Camaros on my commute from East Lansing to Flint, mostly manufacturer owned coupes but also at least one privately owned car. While in photos they seem similar to last year's model, they look really sharp in person, much trimmer than the last generation model.

With its similar engine and options, I think that the Camaro SS is the real competitor to C7 in the marketplace. We already have seen published road tests comparing Mustang and Camaro, with Camaro winning in speed and road handing pretty uniformly. I don't as yet find published comparisons of Camaro and C7.

My question, has anyone driven both as yet? If so, I'd be interested in your impressions.
Old 11-20-2015, 04:24 PM
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Bet the Camaro is still heavy as a tank so the power-to-weight is nothing to write home about
Old 11-20-2015, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KenHorse
Bet the Camaro is still heavy as a tank so the power-to-weight is nothing to write home about
Not really. Weight has been reduced in the 2016 model due to the new chassis used

CAMARO
MSRP: From $25,700
Horsepower: 275 to 455 HP
Curb weight: 3,339 to 3,685 lbs
Warranty: 3 yr/36,000 mi basic, 5 yr/60,000 mi powertrain
Engine: 2.0L 4-cylinder, 3.6L V6, 6.2L V8
CORVETTE
MSRP: From $55,400
MPG: Up to 17 city, 29 highway
Warranty: 3 yr/36,000 mi basic, 5 yr/60,000 mi powertrain
Horsepower: 455 to 650 HP
Curb weight: 3,298 to 3,582 lbs
Good article
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/str...icle-1.2227841

Note to non-Z06 C7 owners: Be on your toes when racing the new Camaro or ATS-V or be sorry!

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I still would rather be in a corvette.
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Originally Posted by MikeLsx
I still would rather be in a corvette.
and im guessing we will see a HP increase in the 17's non ZO6 models...
Old 11-20-2015, 06:12 PM
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Every person in the world would rather be in a corvette. Still annoying to me that you now get the corvette powertrain in the camaro.
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No, the Camaro is not competition for the C7. Only a true 2 seat sports car can compare IMHO. The Viper is the only other American sports car out there, as I recall and i read Dodge is discontinuing that. Any car that seats more than 2 is not a sports car to me and can't be compared to the C7.

Biggest competition for the Camaro is the Mustang. Like it or not, Mustang sales will always be higher than Camaro sales.

YMMV...

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Originally Posted by jbyrd561
Every person in the world would rather be in a corvette. Still annoying to me that you now get the corvette powertrain in the camaro.
the last generation camaro SS had the corvette engine also.

It is annoying how close they are in performance though.

they should have given the corvette 500HP at least.

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Originally Posted by MikeLsx
I still would rather be in a corvette.

Well of course. Corvette is a lot more sexy and exotic looking!
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Originally Posted by Mike02Z
Biggest competition for the Camaro is the Mustang. Like it or not, Mustang sales will always be higher than Camaro sales.
That is not correct. The Camaro outsold the Mustang for 6 years straight - right up until this year and the release of a new Mustang design. Right now the Mustang is way out ahead but even with that head start, end of year totals are projected to be closer than the huge gap right now.

But I predict that next year the Camaro will be right back on top in sales - the 2016 is based on the ATS/CTS platform and it is light, handles extremely well and is very solid. It looks a lot like the previous Camaro but it is based on a newer, more upscale and much more modern platform.

But as much as I admire the Camaro, the Vette is still the special car in the GM family for me, and the only "super car" that I could actually justify buying from any car maker.
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Still look like a big car but it looks better than it did.

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Apples and quamquats (whatever). If you price out a loaded Camaro or Mustang against a stripper C7, it's about $5K difference on MSRP.

No contest IMHO.

That said, a 350GT Mustang for about $50K looks like a pretty cool ride...

The good old days are back!
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Originally Posted by JimNeedsC7
That is not correct. The Camaro outsold the Mustang for 6 years straight - right up until this year and the release of a new Mustang design.
Wrong.



Camaro, with a back seat, will never be serious competition for the Corvette or any other 2 seat sports car.
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Originally Posted by jbyrd561
Every person in the world would rather be in a corvette. Still annoying to me that you now get the corvette powertrain in the camaro.
camaro always shared power plants with the corvette . back in the day any motor could be had in just about every chevy . nothing new here !
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Good grief, it's a Camaro, not a CORVETTE
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Originally Posted by LSRX
Note to non-Z06 C7 owners: Be on your toes when racing the new Camaro or ATS-V or be sorry!
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I'll never compare the Camaro to the Vette - different markets all together. The Mustang and to a lesser extent the Challenger are the rivals to the Camaro.

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Originally Posted by Maxie2U
Good grief, it's a Camaro, not a CORVETTE


The two cars are complementary not competitors. Both are fast cars but...4 seat vs 2 seat alone is a huge difference. Plus the MSRP on a Camaro 2ss is $42,295 where the MSRP of a non-z51 Corvette Coupe 2LT is $60,850.

I'm not criticizing the Camaro; I think its a great car too. But it is clearly aimed at a different market than the Corvette. If you've got two kids you want to take along on a Sunday drive, then obviously the C7 doesn't work for you even if you can afford it. The Camaro does and its a 6.2L V8 at a lower price point...and still a really cool car.

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Problem solved, I got both. Well my wife has the Camaro SS.
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Originally Posted by Mike02Z
No, the Camaro is not competition for the C7. Only a true 2 seat sports car can compare IMHO. The Viper is the only other American sports car out there, as I recall and i read Dodge is discontinuing that. Any car that seats more than 2 is not a sports car to me and can't be compared to the C7.

Biggest competition for the Camaro is the Mustang. Like it or not, Mustang sales will always be higher than Camaro sales.

YMMV...
It's been my experience from what I am seeing locally in our retirement community, that many of us older, fatter and car loving gents yearning for that retro feel and moral boost, would enjoy a much cheaper Camaro. Thus GM is creating its own competition, stealing from Vette sales. I see many more newer Camaros than Vettes the last few years.


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