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Old 01-21-2016, 09:01 AM
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I have a '15 Z51. Yesterday when cursing at 65, the engine started to "surge". The RPM's would change a few hundred, the oil pressure went to 25 to maybe 65 and back and forth, and the sound from the exhaust was also surging. The cars speed remained constant. It was in V4 mode. This went on for maybe 2 minutes
I stopped to turn around and go to the dealer, and the problems stopped.
Im taking it in this afternoon..Any thoughts..anyone have a similar problem?

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Originally Posted by rogergcam
I have a '15 Z51. Yesterday when cursing at 65, the engine started to "surge". The RPM's would change a few hundred, the oil pressure went to 25 to maybe 65 and back and forth, and the sound from the exhaust was also surging. The cars speed remained constant. It was in V4 mode. This went on for maybe 2 minutes
I stopped to turn around and go to the dealer, and the problems stopped.
Im taking it in this afternoon..Any thoughts..anyone have a similar problem?

Thanks
Is it an A8? Also how many miles on it? Hate to tell you this, but if an A8, could be the tranny. A known issue and a new A8 tranny was put in all Vettes in Oct. 2015. Hope it works out for you. Best of luck with GM...
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You have the exact same problem as I have with my 2015 A8. Noticed the problem at around 9K miles. Took it to the dealer and they said the cause was a bad o-ring in the torque converter. New torque converter ordered. Also, there were two (2) 2015 A8 torque converter orders ahead of mine that were diagnosed with the same problem. I was told the 2016 transmissions have a different part number than the 2015. Hopefully GM has solved the torque converter problem and the 2016's want have this problem when they get around 10K miles.

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Is it an A8? Also how many miles on it? Hate to tell you this, but if an A8, could be the tranny. A known issue and a new A8 tranny was put in all Vettes in Oct. 2015. Hope it works out for you. Best of luck with GM...
Sorry-its an A* with about 12500 miles....
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Originally Posted by rogergcam
I have a '15 Z51. Yesterday when cursing at 65, the engine started to "surge". The RPM's would change a few hundred, the oil pressure went to 25 to maybe 65 and back and forth, and the sound from the exhaust was also surging. The cars speed remained constant. It was in V4 mode. This went on for maybe 2 minutes
I stopped to turn around and go to the dealer, and the problems stopped.
Im taking it in this afternoon..Any thoughts..anyone have a similar problem?

Thanks
When you have it in cruise control you should notice the shudder all the time.
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Originally Posted by rogergcam
I have a '15 Z51. Yesterday when cursing at 65, the engine started to "surge". The RPM's would change a few hundred, the oil pressure went to 25 to maybe 65 and back and forth, and the sound from the exhaust was also surging. The cars speed remained constant. It was in V4 mode. This went on for maybe 2 minutes
I stopped to turn around and go to the dealer, and the problems stopped.
Im taking it in this afternoon..Any thoughts..anyone have a similar problem?

Thanks
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Old 01-22-2016, 09:10 AM
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Another confirmation that AFM is bad news. (IMO)
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OP let us know what the dealer says about your problem. The first dealer I took my car to said there was no problem with my transmission. As I mentioned, the second dealer had ordered new torque converters for two other A8s with the same problem and knew exactly what was causing my transmission to shudder.

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Another confirmation that AFM is bad news. (IMO)

AFM or A8?


I'm thinking A8.


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I'm not doubting that it is the transmission, but by any chance have you had the air intake off before the problem started?

A loose air coupling can cause a surge like feeling, I hope its something simple.
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Originally Posted by Formula52
Is it an A8? Also how many miles on it? Hate to tell you this, but if an A8, could be the tranny. A known issue and a new A8 tranny was put in all Vettes in Oct. 2015. Hope it works out for you. Best of luck with GM...
just my luck ...my build was August 2015 so I have this crap to look forward to ! And as i put few miles on the car ...when the tranny does need replacement ...it will be out of warranty ! just great !

first GM product in 40 years ..... and this is the reason why !
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just my luck ...my build was August 2015 so I have this crap to look forward to ! And as i put few miles on the car ...when the tranny does need replacement ...it will be out of warranty ! just great !

first GM product in 40 years ..... and this is the reason why !
Isn't the drive train a 5 year warranty? If you can't do enough miles in 5 years to get the A8 in trouble, you need to loan your car to a teenager!

I've got 11,150 on my '14 (A6) 5.5K a year isn't driving it to death but it's not parked in the garage a lot either!


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Originally Posted by rogergcam
I have a '15 Z51. Yesterday when cursing at 65, the engine started to "surge". The RPM's would change a few hundred, the oil pressure went to 25 to maybe 65 and back and forth, and the sound from the exhaust was also surging. The cars speed remained constant. It was in V4 mode. This went on for maybe 2 minutes
I stopped to turn around and go to the dealer, and the problems stopped.
Im taking it in this afternoon..Any thoughts..anyone have a similar problem?

Thanks
Sorry to say, but it looks like you also have a bad A8 transmission. Sorry to have to welcome you to this club! Sorry to be the POOPER!
The surging you feel is loss of fluid to the T/C and the transmission trying to compensate for the slippage due to the lack of the proper amount fluid pressure in the T/C. I can't help but think this is going to turn into a major recall sometime in the future.






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Originally Posted by \Boost Monkey/
Another one?
Me thinks sooner or later they will all Grenade. A bad design is a bad design no one owns a "special" good one. (except for the new design) Like I said above Its going to slowly become an epidemic that GM will have to address with a recall. Look at the below links. The Boys and Girls with Cadillacs and GMC trucks are also having similar issues.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...e-8-speed.html

http://www.silveradosierra.com/ecote...333770-30.html

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Originally Posted by Black&White
Me thinks sooner or later they will all Grenade. A bad design is a bad design no one owns a "special" good one. (except for the new design) Like I said above Its going to slowly become an epidemic that GM will have to address with a recall. Look at the below links. The Boys and Girls with Cadillacs and GMC trucks are also having similar issues.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...e-8-speed.html

http://www.silveradosierra.com/ecote...333770-30.html
i hope you are right .... and they do a recall .....

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Other things can cause a surge, not just the trans/TC.

But look at the bright side if you are a low miler, GM techs will get plenty of practice in the next few years swapping them out and GM may actually stumble upon a fix in the future. Unless the car stops moving or it acts really bad I'm not letting them touch my brand new car. An occasional downshift jolt or being able to feel the converter lock/unlock at 70mph when I'm driving like a granny is not a reason to let a dealer take a stab at replacing my trans - I have no problems when i am driving the car hard or its in manual mode.

Maybe after 3-4 years I'll let them try, or maybe if the torque tube, coupler or flex plate dies I'll complain and they can swap the trans at the same time
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Other things can cause a surge, not just the trans/TC.

But look at the bright side if you are a low miler, GM techs will get plenty of practice in the next few years swapping them out and GM may actually stumble upon a fix in the future. Unless the car stops moving or it acts really bad I'm not letting them touch my brand new car. An occasional downshift jolt or being able to feel the converter lock/unlock at 70mph when I'm driving like a granny is not a reason to let a dealer take a stab at replacing my trans - I have no problems when i am driving the car hard or its in manual mode.

Maybe after 3-4 years I'll let them try, or maybe if the torque tube, coupler or flex plate dies I'll complain and they can swap the trans at the same time
this c7 may be finding it's way to a used car lot ...sooner than I had hoped ..
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doesn't sound like trans. sounds like
V4 going in and out of that mode

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