Grand Sport Announcement Thread
03-04-2016, 07:31 PM
#1023
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Out of curiosity, what's your take on the GT3RS?
I'm genuinely curious because the Z06 came out before the GT3RS did and people didn't like the "spats" and saw it as cheap and cheating. Then came the GT3RS and Porsche seemingly did the same thing, yet hardly a peep from anyone, even the purest of Porschephiles who we all know to be on another level of scrutiny. Almost everyone seems to really like the GT3RS considering Porsche uses the same front bumper across 2 or 3 (don't quote me) models and adds a lip that more or less compensates for the wider fenders.
If a no joke company like Porsche makes a dedicated track car using the same front bumper/lip method and is applauded for such awesome performance; why then is it so bad for GM to have done it with the Z06 before Porsche did?
It's not "cheating" or whatever else you can come up with, when what they've implemented works. If it's functional aero why would they spend more time and money to develop a wider bumper that prior to the GS would only be on one model?
Lastly, to develop an integrated wing mid cycle for a single model is just ridiculous. The amount of time and money and other regulations, tests, etc etc would be far too much. So to do a wide front bumper and an integrated wing would make the GS the most expensive Corvette to date. Given the reaction currently when a price hasn't been announced this would be an utter failure if it eclipsed the Z06 in price. That would never happen.
I'm genuinely curious because the Z06 came out before the GT3RS did and people didn't like the "spats" and saw it as cheap and cheating. Then came the GT3RS and Porsche seemingly did the same thing, yet hardly a peep from anyone, even the purest of Porschephiles who we all know to be on another level of scrutiny. Almost everyone seems to really like the GT3RS considering Porsche uses the same front bumper across 2 or 3 (don't quote me) models and adds a lip that more or less compensates for the wider fenders.
If a no joke company like Porsche makes a dedicated track car using the same front bumper/lip method and is applauded for such awesome performance; why then is it so bad for GM to have done it with the Z06 before Porsche did?
It's not "cheating" or whatever else you can come up with, when what they've implemented works. If it's functional aero why would they spend more time and money to develop a wider bumper that prior to the GS would only be on one model?
Lastly, to develop an integrated wing mid cycle for a single model is just ridiculous. The amount of time and money and other regulations, tests, etc etc would be far too much. So to do a wide front bumper and an integrated wing would make the GS the most expensive Corvette to date. Given the reaction currently when a price hasn't been announced this would be an utter failure if it eclipsed the Z06 in price. That would never happen.
Yeah, I can see how someone would confuse Porsche's properly flared fenders to GM's tacked on plastic flares
FWIW, I'm not a huge fan of the portion that comes up the front of the fender, but it's a far cry from an entirely plastic flare.
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03-04-2016, 07:39 PM
#1024
What I'm getting at is the front bumper on both cars are the same found on non wide body models. Both have flared fenders and more or less a functional lip that compensates for the difference.
03-04-2016, 07:41 PM
#1025
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Wait are you seriously arguing that the front fenders on the Z06 are not in fact wider than the base car? Because you would be dead wrong.
What I'm getting at is the front bumper on both cars are the same found on non wide body models. Both have flared fenders and more or less a functional lip that compensates for the difference.
What I'm getting at is the front bumper on both cars are the same found on non wide body models. Both have flared fenders and more or less a functional lip that compensates for the difference.
Did I ever mention front splitters, the Z06 not being wider, or anything else? The Z06 has plastic flares, the Porsche doesn't
03-04-2016, 08:07 PM
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The reason the z06 is such a success is because you can get GTR level power on an 80k car... Anyone who wants "better parts" can always subject themselves to high quality aftermarket products; they're plenty out there.
Last edited by Bui; 03-04-2016 at 08:08 PM.
03-04-2016, 09:07 PM
#1028
What is the assumed base price? Tadge stated around 8K above base (Stingray is 55,395) for around 63,395, which I don't think will be the case, I'll wager 67-68K is a fair assumption. (Z06 is 79,395 for the LT1 coupe in 2016)
What is the assumed curb weight? Did Tadge mention around 55lbs. above base (Stingray is 3298 for the coupe)? That would be around 3353, again I don't think so, I'm guessing 3440-ish. (Z06 coupe is 3582)
What is the assumed curb weight? Did Tadge mention around 55lbs. above base (Stingray is 3298 for the coupe)? That would be around 3353, again I don't think so, I'm guessing 3440-ish. (Z06 coupe is 3582)
Last edited by jivor; 03-04-2016 at 09:34 PM.
03-04-2016, 10:09 PM
#1029
Le Mans Master
I think I must be missing something. Some have been longing for a Grand Sport and when it comes all the talk about is it is under powered. Who are these drivers and why is 460 HP not enough? For crying out loud the C7.R (race car not the road car) has 488 HP. From what I have read and heard in reviews is that the Z06 may have TOO MUCH power for its own good, that it is not well balanced. The GS may be, I reiterate, may be a better balanced car.
Just like the C6 GS was the best "balanced" C6, the C7 GS will be the best "balanced" C7.
And, hopefully, the LT1 will be as bullet proof as the LS3 was. Also, that goes for the A6 and A8 (the jury is still out on the A8, IMO).
Last edited by 69L79; 03-04-2016 at 10:14 PM.
03-04-2016, 10:42 PM
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03-04-2016, 10:54 PM
#1031
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Wait are you seriously arguing that the front fenders on the Z06 are not in fact wider than the base car? Because you would be dead wrong.
What I'm getting at is the front bumper on both cars are the same found on non wide body models. Both have flared fenders and more or less a functional lip that compensates for the difference.
What I'm getting at is the front bumper on both cars are the same found on non wide body models. Both have flared fenders and more or less a functional lip that compensates for the difference.
Then compare the the front of the Stingray which has no "spats".
Last edited by sam90lx; 03-04-2016 at 10:56 PM.
03-04-2016, 10:58 PM
#1032
Jesus folks. If you want to go fast in a straight line, get a Stingray and throw a blower on it. If you want to go fast in the corners, get a Grand Sport and leave it stock. If you want to do both? Get a Z06.
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03-04-2016, 11:00 PM
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03-04-2016, 11:06 PM
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03-04-2016, 11:37 PM
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Grand Sports will be 6-8 grand off sticker by this time next year. GM has an entire plant dedicated to this vehicle. They need to move product. Local dealer here who does a decent Corvette trade is swimming in Corvettes with some of them parked off site. Buyers market in full swing now boys.
03-05-2016, 01:55 AM
#1036
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Out of curiosity, what's your take on the GT3RS?
I'm genuinely curious because the Z06 came out before the GT3RS did and people didn't like the "spats" and saw it as cheap and cheating. Then came the GT3RS and Porsche seemingly did the same thing, yet hardly a peep from anyone, even the purest of Porschephiles who we all know to be on another level of scrutiny. Almost everyone seems to really like the GT3RS considering Porsche uses the same front bumper across 2 or 3 (don't quote me) models and adds a lip that more or less compensates for the wider fenders.
If a no joke company like Porsche makes a dedicated track car using the same front bumper/lip method and is applauded for such awesome performance; why then is it so bad for GM to have done it with the Z06 before Porsche did?
It's not "cheating" or whatever else you can come up with, when what they've implemented works. If it's functional aero why would they spend more time and money to develop a wider bumper that prior to the GS would only be on one model?
Lastly, to develop an integrated wing mid cycle for a single model is just ridiculous. The amount of time and money and other regulations, tests, etc etc would be far too much. So to do a wide front bumper and an integrated wing would make the GS the most expensive Corvette to date. Given the reaction currently when a price hasn't been announced this would be an utter failure if it eclipsed the Z06 in price. That would never happen.
I'm genuinely curious because the Z06 came out before the GT3RS did and people didn't like the "spats" and saw it as cheap and cheating. Then came the GT3RS and Porsche seemingly did the same thing, yet hardly a peep from anyone, even the purest of Porschephiles who we all know to be on another level of scrutiny. Almost everyone seems to really like the GT3RS considering Porsche uses the same front bumper across 2 or 3 (don't quote me) models and adds a lip that more or less compensates for the wider fenders.
If a no joke company like Porsche makes a dedicated track car using the same front bumper/lip method and is applauded for such awesome performance; why then is it so bad for GM to have done it with the Z06 before Porsche did?
It's not "cheating" or whatever else you can come up with, when what they've implemented works. If it's functional aero why would they spend more time and money to develop a wider bumper that prior to the GS would only be on one model?
Lastly, to develop an integrated wing mid cycle for a single model is just ridiculous. The amount of time and money and other regulations, tests, etc etc would be far too much. So to do a wide front bumper and an integrated wing would make the GS the most expensive Corvette to date. Given the reaction currently when a price hasn't been announced this would be an utter failure if it eclipsed the Z06 in price. That would never happen.
The Porsche fender extensions look far less cheap than the ones on the Z06 and quite dissimilar. Completely stupid comparison. Regardless, the Porsche 911 is not exactly a benchmark for innovative styling design. Engineering, yes. Styling, nah. Their jelly bean blandness was long in the tooth 20 years ago. GM should take look at the new AM DB11 or even the Jaguar F-Type. It doesn't cost anymore to produce a car with some restraint and class in its visual appeal.
Having said all that, I did order a Z06 and had to walk away because the paint and panel fitment was so bad. There's no telling what might end up in my garage once the new paint plant has taken over.
03-05-2016, 08:56 AM
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Haven't been following the Z06 issues have you ? Car has serious over heating issues when being tracked.
03-05-2016, 09:13 AM
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03-05-2016, 09:31 AM
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