Who is using PowerStop Z26 brake pads?
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Gymbow (08-31-2016)
08-28-2016, 11:33 PM
#222
Nah, I'm properly chilled and accurate. 
Last edited by Foosh; 08-28-2016 at 11:33 PM.
08-28-2016, 11:43 PM
#223
Burning Brakes
Can I assume that the base 1LT brakes for the 2017 model are the same as the 2016?
I pick up my new 17 next week and would like to install the Powerstops
soon after.
I pick up my new 17 next week and would like to install the Powerstops
soon after.
08-28-2016, 11:53 PM
#225
The dusting issue is primarily with Z51, GS, and Z06 models w/ high performance Brembo brakes (e.g. larger calipers, iron rotors, and larger high-performance pads. The base model has smaller aluminum rotors and smaller, lower dust pads.
Try it first, and then decide, but you probably won't have an issue w/ keeping your wheels clean.
[EDIT: yes "aluminum" was a typo, see post 233 below).
Try it first, and then decide, but you probably won't have an issue w/ keeping your wheels clean.
[EDIT: yes "aluminum" was a typo, see post 233 below).
Last edited by Foosh; 08-29-2016 at 07:41 AM. Reason: Error correction
08-29-2016, 12:00 AM
#226
Drifting
The dusting issue is primarily with Z51, GS, and Z06 models w/ high performance Brembo brakes (e.g. larger calipers, iron rotors, and larger high-performance pads. The base model has smaller aluminum rotors and smaller, lower dust pads.
Try it first, and then decide, but you probably won't have an issue w/ keeping your wheels clean.
Try it first, and then decide, but you probably won't have an issue w/ keeping your wheels clean.
Last edited by Joy c7; 08-29-2016 at 12:36 AM.
08-29-2016, 02:32 AM
#230
While I only track 2-5 times a year, I have been going for nearly a decade. I'll be out on the third and am curious to see if the stock pads are as bad as you claim. They seem FAR superior to my C6 Z51 with hawk pads but I haven't had the chance to push them on the track yet.
I would argue that to make a recommendation like you did that you should push the brakes HARD and while I didn't watch your entire video it didn't appear you were. You admitted it was a track you didn't know and your pace certainly reflected that.
appreciate you taking the time to do this and I hope you can see what Foosh is getting at. Again, he could have said it nicer but he does have a point.
08-29-2016, 07:08 AM
#231
Burning Brakes
While Foosh could have been more tactful I do think he has a point. I'm not trying to criticize your driving ability as there are many on here that I am sure are much better than I. That said, from what I could see you didn't appear to be pushing the brakes that hard.
While I only track 2-5 times a year, I have been going for nearly a decade. I'll be out on the third and am curious to see if the stock pads are as bad as you claim. They seem FAR superior to my C6 Z51 with hawk pads but I haven't had the chance to push them on the track yet.
I would argue that to make a recommendation like you did that you should push the brakes HARD and while I didn't watch your entire video it didn't appear you were. You admitted it was a track you didn't know and your pace certainly reflected that.
appreciate you taking the time to do this and I hope you can see what Foosh is getting at. Again, he could have said it nicer but he does have a point.
While I only track 2-5 times a year, I have been going for nearly a decade. I'll be out on the third and am curious to see if the stock pads are as bad as you claim. They seem FAR superior to my C6 Z51 with hawk pads but I haven't had the chance to push them on the track yet.
I would argue that to make a recommendation like you did that you should push the brakes HARD and while I didn't watch your entire video it didn't appear you were. You admitted it was a track you didn't know and your pace certainly reflected that.
appreciate you taking the time to do this and I hope you can see what Foosh is getting at. Again, he could have said it nicer but he does have a point.
08-29-2016, 07:20 AM
#232
LOL . . . yes that is most certainly incorrect and one of those modern "autofill typos" modern technology has introduced.
I think I tried to type alloy, which ended up being "aluminum," but to be precise, I believe the base rotor like most newer GM rotors on 80% of their products are manufactured with a process called Ferritic Nitro-Carburizing (FNC). They last longer and don't rust when wet.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-material.html
The Z51 and above models use straight iron rotors, which almost everyone can see by washing their wheels and letting them sit. There will be a surface rust coating which starts forming in minutes. Straight iron rotors are unsurpassed for stopping ability until you graduate to over $10K carbon ceramic rotors.
I think I tried to type alloy, which ended up being "aluminum," but to be precise, I believe the base rotor like most newer GM rotors on 80% of their products are manufactured with a process called Ferritic Nitro-Carburizing (FNC). They last longer and don't rust when wet.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-material.html
The Z51 and above models use straight iron rotors, which almost everyone can see by washing their wheels and letting them sit. There will be a surface rust coating which starts forming in minutes. Straight iron rotors are unsurpassed for stopping ability until you graduate to over $10K carbon ceramic rotors.
Last edited by Foosh; 08-29-2016 at 07:55 AM.
08-29-2016, 07:36 AM
#233
While Foosh could have been more tactful I do think he has a point. I'm not trying to criticize your driving ability as there are many on here that I am sure are much better than I. That said, from what I could see you didn't appear to be pushing the brakes that hard.
While I only track 2-5 times a year, I have been going for nearly a decade. I'll be out on the third and am curious to see if the stock pads are as bad as you claim. They seem FAR superior to my C6 Z51 with hawk pads but I haven't had the chance to push them on the track yet.
I would argue that to make a recommendation like you did that you should push the brakes HARD and while I didn't watch your entire video it didn't appear you were. You admitted it was a track you didn't know and your pace certainly reflected that.
appreciate you taking the time to do this and I hope you can see what Foosh is getting at. Again, he could have said it nicer but he does have a point.
While I only track 2-5 times a year, I have been going for nearly a decade. I'll be out on the third and am curious to see if the stock pads are as bad as you claim. They seem FAR superior to my C6 Z51 with hawk pads but I haven't had the chance to push them on the track yet.
I would argue that to make a recommendation like you did that you should push the brakes HARD and while I didn't watch your entire video it didn't appear you were. You admitted it was a track you didn't know and your pace certainly reflected that.
appreciate you taking the time to do this and I hope you can see what Foosh is getting at. Again, he could have said it nicer but he does have a point.
I have not been critical of anyone who decided to put Powerstops on even their C7 Z06s for cleaner brakes. On the street, except in the most extreme emergency situations, no one needs the braking performance of a car that has the 4th fastest production car lap in the history of Laguna Seca.
Powerstops work fine for that application. I have occasionally raised doubts about whether they have equal bite, but fade resistance is almost never an issue on the street.
Powerstop clearly states their Z26 product is NOT intended for track use. Now we have exactly one person who has come forward and made a video, claiming they are a track "upgrade" based upon zero data. What he claims is "data" is NOT data. He presents NO data, just his "feelings" after driving around a couple of tracks.
No other Z26 user has made such claims. He is the only person doing so, and it absolutely deserved to be challenged. Several other Powerstop users w/ track experience have also challenged his claims. If he wants continue his current pitch, he should do a video with actual braking tests comparing the two pads. I'm 99% sure I know what those results will show.
No, I have not compared Brembos to Powerstops on the track, and I never will. There is no point, and the manufacturer tells me it's not a recommended application. I have compared street pads to similar Brembos many times on the track. There is no comparison, in terms of bite and fade resistance.
I don't need to test a Kia Soul vs. a C7 in a drag race either. I know what the results will be.
08-29-2016, 10:38 AM
#234
Burning Brakes
I spoke with Powerstop test engineer before deciding to use the Z26 pads. Only issue with the Z26 pads on track is they wear fast with track use compared to their track pads. The performance is similar and more than capable for track use as stated with the 1500 deg fade rating. Also definitely better performing than the stock pads. I still have to run these pads at my home track to give full recommendation but so far I am extremely happy with them.
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08-29-2016, 11:18 AM
#235
C7s,
No reason to be so bullish about it man. You have both pads, do some real testing of both and answer. I'm sure everyone -including yourself will find the results helpful.
Find some place you can do 100-0 a bunch of times with each pad and see how they both do after they are suffering from fade in terms of stopping distance. It might even be fun
No reason to be so bullish about it man. You have both pads, do some real testing of both and answer. I'm sure everyone -including yourself will find the results helpful.
Find some place you can do 100-0 a bunch of times with each pad and see how they both do after they are suffering from fade in terms of stopping distance. It might even be fun
08-29-2016, 12:46 PM
#236
Burning Brakes
My braking test is to slow from 130mph to 50mph on the front straight of Pitt Race. That is where I felt pedal pushback (outgassing) of the stock pads. I have yet to try the Z26 pads here but will post back with an update once I do!
08-31-2016, 01:26 AM
#237
Safety Car
Maybe I should make a new thread for this but I'll try asking here first. Has anyone tried their rotors? Good price for two.
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Stop-AR...ype=automotive
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Stop-AR...ype=automotive
08-31-2016, 06:42 AM
#238
Melting Slicks
I spoke with Powerstop test engineer before deciding to use the Z26 pads. Only issue with the Z26 pads on track is they wear fast with track use compared to their track pads. The performance is similar and more than capable for track use as stated with the 1500 deg fade rating. Also definitely better performing than the stock pads. I still have to run these pads at my home track to give full recommendation but so far I am extremely happy with them.
08-31-2016, 09:10 AM
#239
Drifting
Not yet for the C7, just running the Z26 pads. But I am getting close to needing a front brake job on my 2009 Toyota Tacoma and this is probably what I will go with.
BTW, three Laguna Blue C7 avatars in a row. Cool!
BTW, three Laguna Blue C7 avatars in a row. Cool!
Maybe I should make a new thread for this but I'll try asking here first. Has anyone tried their rotors? Good price for two.
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Stop-AR...ype=automotive
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Stop-AR...ype=automotive
Last edited by raylo; 08-31-2016 at 09:12 AM.
08-31-2016, 03:32 PM
#240
Safety Car
So I ordered the brake pads front and rear on Amazon but the rears will not ship for over a month. Where did every order theirs from? Trying to get the rears quicker then a month out...
Edit: Nevermind found one set available from Jegs!
Edit: Nevermind found one set available from Jegs!
Last edited by CDH76; 08-31-2016 at 03:42 PM.
