Originally Posted by jimmyb

I'm with you. I went out to the garage this morning and chastised my C7 for it's many faults and short comings. Then I drove it and apologized.

Jimmy

Originally Posted by unload

you may be right, but I will never agree that those photos are "almost certainly" anything. It is a car, that resembles perhaps a corvette variation, but to suggest "almost certainly" to anything other than that is illogical to me.

Originally Posted by jimmyb

Ford doesn't build car(s) that sell for a premium, they sell A car (GT350R) that sells for a premium. Everything else at your friendly Ford dealer sells below MSRP. The last time they had a car that sold for a premium was 10 years ago (2005-2006 GT). The last time Chevrolet had a car that sold for a premium was the 2015 Z06. And by the way, dealers set "Adjusted market value", not GM or Ford. GM made (and dealers sold) over 8,000 2015 Z06's, so discounting was bound to happen sooner rather than later. If GM made 1,000 Z06's a year, do you think they would still be discounted?

As far as the GT, Ford made a decision to produce 500 of them, and the price is $400K. If Ford decides to produce 2,000+ A YEAR (like the Ferrari 488), then the price drops like a rock. Obviously, Ford thinks the market can BUY 500 GT's at $400K, we will see if it is sustainable.

Jimmy

Originally Posted by LS3 MN6

Ford Performance purposefully limits production. The GT350, GT350R, Focus RS, and GT are all limited to a specific number of units. These are calculated business decisions. The suppliers literally are setup to build X amount of parts (production run + spare parts) and then the program is done.

Corvette is a volume car.

Limit supply, demand will outstrip it, then you can raise prices until demand is lowered to meet supply. Simple economics.

Originally Posted by Ernest_T

I get that--this was not a blanket question, but a specific question to the poster who said GM needed volume with the mid engined Corvette. I was pointing out that Ford was doing very well with limited run cars.

Originally Posted by mschuyler

The fact is, we don't know that this is a Corvette at all. It may be disguised as a Corvette, as those round taillights would attest. The guys who run these cars are not stupid and they know spies with telephoto lenses frequent that track. They use extensive camo on them. What we see is carefully managed. They know we're looking.

If the car is a real car in development, it is in its advanced stages, well after the 'bubble-up" stage. It has to have been in development for a couple of years at least to get to the track stage. And it could be a Cadillac. At this point it is wild speculation. We don't know if that car is even real.

Originally Posted by RMS73

I need to find the pictures of the prototype 1973 mid-engine Corvette that the car world kept talking about.

Originally Posted by roadsterboy

I regret clicking on this story.

Originally Posted by Ernest_T

I get that--this was not a blanket question, but a specific question to the poster who said GM needed volume with the mid engined Corvette. I was pointing out that Ford was doing very well with limited run cars.

Originally Posted by RMS73

I need to find the pictures of the prototype 1973 mid-engine Corvette that the car world kept talking about.

Originally Posted by LifeInAVette

If I had a time machine I'd go back and punch myself in the face before I could make that regrettable click.

Originally Posted by senah

in that case, will this quote from motor authority push some people completely over the edge?

"If accurate, it means the current C7 Corvette will likely be the last generation with a front-mounted engine. To send it off with a bang, it’s reported GM will introduce a model above the current Z06 at the 2017 Detroit Auto Show."

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...roit-audi-show

Originally Posted by 20171LE

What metric are you using to come the conclusion that ford is doing "very well" with limited run cars?

Ford wants to claim the run is "limited", but the fact is the list of people who are dumb enough to pay $400k for a Ford is very shot.
These buyers have more money than sense, and money to burn, and that is exactly what they are doing by giving Ford $400k for that junk.
I'd tell these fat cats not to waste their money and buy a Ferrari, Lambo, or McLaren instead, but they already have them in their collections as well.

Originally Posted by Ernest_T

I get that--this was not a blanket question, but a specific question to the poster who said GM needed volume with the mid engined Corvette. I was pointing out that Ford was doing very well with limited run cars.

Originally Posted by jimmyb

Corvette's market is well defined. GM would be crazy to walk away from 30,000 - 35,000 units a year at $60,000+++ price point. So, I think it is very real to say that GM "needs" the volume, and, no doubt, wants the volume.

Jimmy

Originally Posted by jimmyb

So, now the new Ford GT is "junk". I guess you know this because of all the seat time you have in the car....unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Summer Daze

The production nameplate is Corvette Zora and Cadillac will be building a vehicle on the same platform with the same engine, the Cadillac has a production nameplate listed only as "Sports car." The engine these two cars will share is...

4.2L (4209cc) Twin Turbo V8 quad cam 32V, engine program is called LTA HO
600 HP at 5000rpm
600 TQ at 4000rpm
Built in Tonawanda, NY

Production numbers for Zora are expected to be around 300 in MY2018 and jump to 400 per year by MY2020.

I don't have direct confirmation if it's mid engine, because the platform and layout listed is the same as the current C7.

Originally Posted by 20171LE

Don't underestimate GM's stupidity.
The C7 price increases over the C6 have been moronic at best.
On the other hand, a mid-engine C8 is a Corvette that is finally worthy upgrading from my C6 for.

The $5k premium that Tadge claimed for a mid-engine Corvette over the C6 is worth the money.
But, the premium for the C7 over the C6 is a JOKE.




Nope.
I would never even do one lap in a $400k ford, even if offered.
I wouldn't want the expose driving a $400k car, especially a overpriced turd from ford.
I'd have more fun tracking a $60k Corvette or $100k Viper, but thanks.