GS vs. 911 Motor Trend review
10-18-2016, 02:18 PM
#41
Something is off with the Porsche numbers. I can't fathom that big of a delta from 2014 when the car had 400 HP and it did the quarter in 12.4 @ 116 and 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
As for 0-60 times...who cares. Performance cars have long been at a level which rendered 0-60 MPH meaningless.
10-18-2016, 02:48 PM
#43
Melting Slicks
They should change the name of this thread to Enter here Corvette fanbois
10-18-2016, 03:11 PM
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10-18-2016, 03:18 PM
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10-18-2016, 03:45 PM
#47
Go Canes!
MSRP is $86,400 plus transportation, taxes and "regionally required equipment". I would bet you will not be able to get a new one anywhere under $100K at a dealer in the US. I new GTS is $92K+ plus tax, dealer fees, etc.
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10-18-2016, 03:48 PM
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10-18-2016, 04:01 PM
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A friend of mine and close neighbor is on his 2nd GT4, the first purchased and subsequently sold for under $100k. The 2nd was slightly over due to adding PCCBs and LWBs. The market might be driving prices up right now, but there are dealers that sold at MSRP, which, like I said, is under $100k.
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10-18-2016, 04:03 PM
#51
And you do know they opened up production and increased allocations beyond the initial run, right?
A friend of mine and close neighbor is on his 2nd GT4, the first purchased and subsequently sold for under $100k. The 2nd was slightly over due to adding PCCBs and LWBs. The market might be driving prices up right now, but there are dealers that sold at MSRP, which, like I said, is under $100k.
A friend of mine and close neighbor is on his 2nd GT4, the first purchased and subsequently sold for under $100k. The 2nd was slightly over due to adding PCCBs and LWBs. The market might be driving prices up right now, but there are dealers that sold at MSRP, which, like I said, is under $100k.
I saw a few for sale, but none under 100k. One was 101k sticker but that was the cheapest i can find.
10-18-2016, 04:07 PM
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No doubt demand has influenced current market prices. This is pretty common among most P-cars. I don't think market adjustments should be factored into the discussion as it is not a set or definable variable.
10-18-2016, 04:13 PM
#53
Average seems to be in the 120k range. As high as 145k.
10-18-2016, 04:21 PM
#54
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The thing that bugs me about these Motor Trend shoot outs is that ever since Corvettes got REALLY good tires (C6 ZR1, late C6 Z06/07) MT can't bring themselves to give the CAR credit. Now, back in the bad old days (Goodyear EMT's), they (MT) never mentioned how crappy the Goodyears were or how good the Michelin PS's were on the Porsche. But EVERY freakin' test where a Corvette is shod with PSSC2's, there's always a comment, almost like Corvette is cheating. I guess I should be happy that they did mention the Porsche's DSG advantage.....
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10-18-2016, 04:32 PM
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Not the same track or driver but the GS was 6.9 seconds a lap faster than the Cayman GT4 in this years Car and Driver Lighning Lap.
I think Porsche is still, at some level, protecting the 911 from it's mid-engine siblings.
I think Porsche is still, at some level, protecting the 911 from it's mid-engine siblings.
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10-18-2016, 04:43 PM
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I too think they're still protecting the 911. Which is a shame as the Cayman has the better platform, IMO.
If Porsche released a 500-550 hp Cayman I'd put one in my garage in a heartbeat. But I'm not one of the long running members of the Porsche camp who would take umbrage at such. I'd just view it as a great play and enjoy the superior machine to the 911.
10-18-2016, 05:09 PM
#57
Previous Porsche owner and current C7Z owner and I have to admit, I was blown away by the 3.1s 0-60 and qtr mi times in this article. Yes I know it was DCT...but not AWD and the car weighs 3350lbs with 420hp. That's 'awefully' quick given those weight/power figures. I can't think of another car with those specs that even comes close. Heck the 430 Scuderia with 490hp barely matches that, same for the 458. Even the 500hp GT3RS was 3.0 or 3.1, with DCT. Even the A8 in the GS would not come close to that. And the 0-100mph time of 7.9 is silly quick. Something just doesn't seem right...3350lbs with only 420hp...WOW!
I love Porsche's...always have...The C7Z is my first Vette. The 2 main reasons: They finally upgraded the Vette interior AND it's SOOOOO much more fun to drive. You need a GT3 to even come close to the enjoyment I get from my Z06. That's coming from a long time Porsche and Ferrari guy. Never thought those words would come from my mouth, lol...Having said that, it's hard to say anything negative about a Porsche...they are so solid.
I love Porsche's...always have...The C7Z is my first Vette. The 2 main reasons: They finally upgraded the Vette interior AND it's SOOOOO much more fun to drive. You need a GT3 to even come close to the enjoyment I get from my Z06. That's coming from a long time Porsche and Ferrari guy. Never thought those words would come from my mouth, lol...Having said that, it's hard to say anything negative about a Porsche...they are so solid.
10-18-2016, 05:36 PM
#58
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Something is off with the Porsche numbers. I can't fathom that big of a delta from 2014 when the car had 400 HP and it did the quarter in 12.4 @ 116 and 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
20 HP does not shave a second off a quarter mile time. Plus other articles are saying mid to upper 3 second 0-60's. one referenced .2 quicker than the regular 911 putting it at 3.9 and other 3.6. Automobile mag tested it at 3.7 with the PDK.
My guess is Porsche did a bit too much 'magazine tuning' this particular vehicle
When I saw those acceleration figures, I went to the Porsche site also. All I can say is "Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do"
10-18-2016, 05:41 PM
#59
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Well, the Porsche fanbois think the C7 is a 'Seiko' compared to the 911 being a 'Tag'.
Tag's are actually a poor-man's Rolex. LOL.
They're whining about the Cup tires, and chiding the build quality of the C7.
I also love the comments about the 'feel' of driving a 911. What does that mean exactly? Is a device massaging the driver's prostrate for God's sake?
When I go to the track, I talk with drivers of all cars, and all are gracious and respectful, regardless of whether they are driving real high-dollar cars like Lambos, and Ferarris; they are true car lovers. Even the Viper owners are nice (saw a beautiful new ACR at VIR last month).
For the price of the as-tested 911, you could buy a new Z06 and a Z51!
The C7 haters on MT forums are probably pugnacious wanna-be's or douche-nozzles that valet at the country club and are more concerned about image and 'prestige'. Funny thing is, in affluent areas, 911's are as common as Civics...
Tag's are actually a poor-man's Rolex. LOL.
They're whining about the Cup tires, and chiding the build quality of the C7.
I also love the comments about the 'feel' of driving a 911. What does that mean exactly? Is a device massaging the driver's prostrate for God's sake?
When I go to the track, I talk with drivers of all cars, and all are gracious and respectful, regardless of whether they are driving real high-dollar cars like Lambos, and Ferarris; they are true car lovers. Even the Viper owners are nice (saw a beautiful new ACR at VIR last month).
For the price of the as-tested 911, you could buy a new Z06 and a Z51!
The C7 haters on MT forums are probably pugnacious wanna-be's or douche-nozzles that valet at the country club and are more concerned about image and 'prestige'. Funny thing is, in affluent areas, 911's are as common as Civics...
10-18-2016, 06:00 PM
#60
You know i think you guys are right... porsche says the 911 s is capable of 3.7 sec 0-60 with the pdk and sport chrono. Pretty odd they put down 3.1. Sounds like porsche sent out a beefed up press car.
