Meet the 2019 C8 Mid Engine Corvette
01-19-2017, 01:33 AM
#41
Heel & Toe
"...that huge trunk area is quite unique among cars of the C7's performance level. One of the best things about the car. I can put my road bicycle in the back. That's amazing."
When I told my buddies about loading my extended wheelbase bicycle in the back of my 2016 Stingray, my friends called me a liar [until I showed them pics]. All that storage in a high performance car weighing under 3,300 lbs -- WoW.
When I told my buddies about loading my extended wheelbase bicycle in the back of my 2016 Stingray, my friends called me a liar [until I showed them pics]. All that storage in a high performance car weighing under 3,300 lbs -- WoW.
01-19-2017, 01:37 AM
#42
Le Mans Master
Aside from being relatively hard to add AWD for 200lbs in a 500hp car, why would you want a slower heavier corvette? and how would extra weight and AWD make it closer to a 488?
All wheel drive with some added HP should be the next move and will keep the cost way under a mid-engine car.GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
01-19-2017, 02:53 AM
#43
01-19-2017, 03:46 AM
#44
forward to porsche and audi
i guess didn't they realize what slugs they were building with their rear engine awd configured cars. how does that 911 awd turbo ever manage!
Aside from being relatively hard to add AWD for 200lbs in a 500hp car, why would you want a slower heavier corvette? and how would extra weight and AWD make it closer to a 488?
GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
01-19-2017, 05:14 AM
#45
01-19-2017, 05:53 AM
#46
Burning Brakes
Aside from being relatively hard to add AWD for 200lbs in a 500hp car, why would you want a slower heavier corvette? and how would extra weight and AWD make it closer to a 488?
GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
I'm just sharing my feelings. I'm quite certain that Chevrolet doesn't care what I think and they no doubt have their path set already, I just hate to see them go M-E and have it ruin that greatest American sportscar ever.
01-19-2017, 11:22 AM
#48
Racer
Difference between all those years and now, is that GM is involved in racing. Zora supported the idea of mid-engine, but GM execs internally didn't. Today, Corvette and Cadillac are pushing hard to have a global presence in the performance market versus BMW, Mercedes, and Corvette is looking at the competitive spaces that are occupied by NSX, Mclaren 570s, GTR, etc.
Comparing GM of the 60's/70's to the GM of today is beyond apples to oranges, it's apples to donuts. Your looking in the wrong place. GM today doesn't compete against the GM of the 60's it's competes against a current market. If the market demands it, then you build it. There was far from sufficient demand in the 60's/70's to build such a car, today is an ENTIRELY different story.
If GM doesn't build it, it'll be for budgetary reasons, in that it's cancelled due to a buying recession and poor outlook. In my belief though, the car is done and the investment is made. Porsche RSR is mid engine, Ferrari 388, FordGT...every car in their racing class is mid engine...it's happening.
Comparing GM of the 60's/70's to the GM of today is beyond apples to oranges, it's apples to donuts. Your looking in the wrong place. GM today doesn't compete against the GM of the 60's it's competes against a current market. If the market demands it, then you build it. There was far from sufficient demand in the 60's/70's to build such a car, today is an ENTIRELY different story.
If GM doesn't build it, it'll be for budgetary reasons, in that it's cancelled due to a buying recession and poor outlook. In my belief though, the car is done and the investment is made. Porsche RSR is mid engine, Ferrari 388, FordGT...every car in their racing class is mid engine...it's happening.
01-19-2017, 11:56 AM
#49
Aside from being relatively hard to add AWD for 200lbs in a 500hp car, why would you want a slower heavier corvette? and how would extra weight and AWD make it closer to a 488?
GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
GREAT idea. Let's move the engine back, then add a ton of weight over the front again.
And let's not forget AWD will be a huge cost. Complexity, warranty, design, material/manufacturing cost will be very substantial.
Maybe you're right, maybe that's why Chevy won't go in that direction.
01-19-2017, 12:08 PM
#50
Burning Brakes
If the Mid is going to be the only model, just how many buyers will there be with average 'as equipped' prices near $100,000? I don't think the Corvette brand will survive at production levels less than 10,000 units annually.
Ask Dodge how well that low-volume strategy worked out.
Ask Dodge how well that low-volume strategy worked out.
Maybe Cadillac, but not Chevy. And, even then the results will be the same, they could sell a lot of them, but not enough to really make a profit. Don't see them going into it with that philosophy.
If they do AWD, the front will be electric powered.
"...that huge trunk area is quite unique among cars of the C7's performance level. One of the best things about the car. I can put my road bicycle in the back. That's amazing."
When I told my buddies about loading my extended wheelbase bicycle in the back of my 2016 Stingray, my friends called me a liar [until I showed them pics]. All that storage in a high performance car weighing under 3,300 lbs -- WoW.
When I told my buddies about loading my extended wheelbase bicycle in the back of my 2016 Stingray, my friends called me a liar [until I showed them pics]. All that storage in a high performance car weighing under 3,300 lbs -- WoW.
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01-19-2017, 01:01 PM
#51
Instructor
Mid Engine
I don't think corvette will go mid engine, unless they make two models. Carry on with the C7 platform because they have not kept it in production long enough to pay for all the engineering and production costs yet in the 4 years. The C7 is obtainable for most corvette enthusiasts and a mid engine version for the people with more money. Because to create this I feel base price is going to be $100k to 140k. Similar to the Ford GT when it came out 12 years ago. And they went up in value 2x the MSRP now. New ford GT 600k. It would be great if Chevrolet could do a car that would gain value over time. C4, C5 and C6 just keep dropping. Look at your average 2001 Z06 in value 30% of its original MSRP of 50k. So an exotic mid engine design from chevrolet will have a hefty sticker price. I just feel they would have to make 2 models.
That's my 2 cents. Wade
That's my 2 cents. Wade
01-19-2017, 01:10 PM
#52
Race Director
Not bad at all.
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Nice, I would add a few inches to the front, delete the spoiler or reduce the height. The rear quarter panel is to high and rear is to rounded. Lets not forget the convertible version. The final definitive must have; a manual transmission. Automatics are so boring, might as well be driving a Chevy Cruise.
[/QUOTE]Nice, I would add a few inches to the front, delete the spoiler or reduce the height. The rear quarter panel is to high and rear is to rounded. Lets not forget the convertible version. The final definitive must have; a manual transmission. Automatics are so boring, might as well be driving a Chevy Cruise.
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01-19-2017, 02:12 PM
#53
Admittedly both cars do cost more than the C7 but they have more HP than the base C7. All of the comparisons that I see show faster times than the Z06 so there must be something to the AWD phenomenon.
RWD still rules the day.
Nice, I would add a few inches to the front, delete the spoiler or reduce the height. The rear quarter panel is to high and rear is to rounded. Lets not forget the convertible version. The final definitive must have; a manual transmission. Automatics are so boring, might as well be driving a Chevy Cruise.
01-19-2017, 02:32 PM
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01-19-2017, 06:48 PM
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With all due respect, I don't think anyone would use the Dodge model for anything. Ford on the other hand is a different story. The FGT has been wildly successful. Over 6,000 applications for the new generation...which is A LOT given the $400K+ price point. That's just those that took the time and effort to go through the exercise (which I can attest, was far more onerous than when I bought my McLaren). But, the volume is being constrained in order to make the product profitable and prime the excitement. Plus, the unintended (or maybe it was intended) benefit was prospective buyers attempting to increase their chances of winning the lottery, by purchasing Mustangs to boost their Ford stable...
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01-19-2017, 08:23 PM
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01-19-2017, 09:26 PM
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name the least expensive mid engine awd car that can keep up with C7 performance. 
01-19-2017, 09:26 PM
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