Speeding ticket for 6MPH over speed limit-Vette tax
02-13-2017, 11:28 AM
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Corvette tax big time i drive 528 4 times every week, not in my vette, traffic always moves 10 to 15 over posted speed whenever i do 55 i am blocking traffic even in the slow lane. Own a Vette you need a Valentine one or an Escort. Don't be fooled my Escort ix along with waze are life savers cant see owning a vette without using both.
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02-13-2017, 03:22 PM
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In Europe they don't have yellow lines, only white. In the US we have yellow only to denote that the traffic on the other side of the line is opposing you. Otherwise it has no other meaning.
To pass is defined as the act of changing your position versus another car while you both are "at speed." This definition takes into account traffic, as that driving is not done "at speed."
The type of line denotes when you may move between lanes. So broken means both sides can move between the lanes. Solid means no one can move between the lanes. Broken on one side, solid on the other means one side can move over the other can not. Left turn lanes have unique rules in that you can only move into them but not to drive (this is the only time I know you can cross a solid line to enter a lane).
The type and or color of the line have nothing to do with passing. when combined with the type of color (to denote the road) it does mean something.
Yellow broken means you can go into opposing traffic, the only reason you would do this IS to pass. But you do not have to. Legally one could drive in that lane, assuming no traffic is coming in the other direction. Since practically this is untrue, no one drives in the opposing lane except to pass. White broken means you can change lanes, that's it. Doesn't mean you can pass in the lanes. And when I say this I'm talking about rules of the road, not the exact laws on the books. I'll explain below how the laws used together formulate these rules.
Lets use an example: If I am on a 3 lane divided limited access highway. Legally I must remain in the right lane except to pass. Therefore, I would be in the right most lane. At that same moment, all other cars would also have to be in the right most lane, unless they were passing. So the only people in the middle and left lanes are those passing other cars. So now lets say I am in the middle lane, and I'm passing a guy in the right lane, now another car comes up to me and wants to pass, so he gets in the left most lane, passes me and then returns to the middle, and then to the right lane (assuming it is open). If you mathematically draw this out, then it's physically impossible to pass on the right. However, we see on the limited access highways people do not follow the law and do not keep right. Therefore you now have the ability to pass them on the right.
TLDR; If everyone followed the current law of keeping to the right except to pass, it would be impossible to pass on the right "at speed" and therefore no law is needed for passing on the right, as is it superfluous and caused only by an error state of an existing law. However, passing on the right is still "wrong" but not because YOU are doing something wrong, it is emblematic that the person you are PASSING is doing something wrong. If we correct that persons behavior there is no need to correct yours, as the point is moot.
To pass is defined as the act of changing your position versus another car while you both are "at speed." This definition takes into account traffic, as that driving is not done "at speed."
The type of line denotes when you may move between lanes. So broken means both sides can move between the lanes. Solid means no one can move between the lanes. Broken on one side, solid on the other means one side can move over the other can not. Left turn lanes have unique rules in that you can only move into them but not to drive (this is the only time I know you can cross a solid line to enter a lane).
The type and or color of the line have nothing to do with passing. when combined with the type of color (to denote the road) it does mean something.
Yellow broken means you can go into opposing traffic, the only reason you would do this IS to pass. But you do not have to. Legally one could drive in that lane, assuming no traffic is coming in the other direction. Since practically this is untrue, no one drives in the opposing lane except to pass. White broken means you can change lanes, that's it. Doesn't mean you can pass in the lanes. And when I say this I'm talking about rules of the road, not the exact laws on the books. I'll explain below how the laws used together formulate these rules.
Lets use an example: If I am on a 3 lane divided limited access highway. Legally I must remain in the right lane except to pass. Therefore, I would be in the right most lane. At that same moment, all other cars would also have to be in the right most lane, unless they were passing. So the only people in the middle and left lanes are those passing other cars. So now lets say I am in the middle lane, and I'm passing a guy in the right lane, now another car comes up to me and wants to pass, so he gets in the left most lane, passes me and then returns to the middle, and then to the right lane (assuming it is open). If you mathematically draw this out, then it's physically impossible to pass on the right. However, we see on the limited access highways people do not follow the law and do not keep right. Therefore you now have the ability to pass them on the right.
TLDR; If everyone followed the current law of keeping to the right except to pass, it would be impossible to pass on the right "at speed" and therefore no law is needed for passing on the right, as is it superfluous and caused only by an error state of an existing law. However, passing on the right is still "wrong" but not because YOU are doing something wrong, it is emblematic that the person you are PASSING is doing something wrong. If we correct that persons behavior there is no need to correct yours, as the point is moot.
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02-13-2017, 03:39 PM
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Wrong, so wrong. There's no rule about having to be as far right as possible all the time. You can travel in any lane indefinitely except the left. The left most lane is only one that some states have laws that say stay out unless passing. No state has a law that says you can't travel in any lane you want that isn't the left. Like I said, read statutes.
In Europe they don't have yellow lines, only white. In the US we have yellow only to denote that the traffic on the other side of the line is opposing you. Otherwise it has no other meaning.
To pass is defined as the act of changing your position versus another car while you both are "at speed." This definition takes into account traffic, as that driving is not done "at speed."
The type of line denotes when you may move between lanes. So broken means both sides can move between the lanes. Solid means no one can move between the lanes. Broken on one side, solid on the other means one side can move over the other can not. Left turn lanes have unique rules in that you can only move into them but not to drive (this is the only time I know you can cross a solid line to enter a lane).
The type and or color of the line have nothing to do with passing. when combined with the type of color (to denote the road) it does mean something.
Yellow broken means you can go into opposing traffic, the only reason you would do this IS to pass. But you do not have to. Legally one could drive in that lane, assuming no traffic is coming in the other direction. Since practically this is untrue, no one drives in the opposing lane except to pass. White broken means you can change lanes, that's it. Doesn't mean you can pass in the lanes. And when I say this I'm talking about rules of the road, not the exact laws on the books. I'll explain below how the laws used together formulate these rules.
Lets use an example: If I am on a 3 lane divided limited access highway. Legally I must remain in the right lane except to pass. Therefore, I would be in the right most lane. At that same moment, all other cars would also have to be in the right most lane, unless they were passing. So the only people in the middle and left lanes are those passing other cars. So now lets say I am in the middle lane, and I'm passing a guy in the right lane, now another car comes up to me and wants to pass, so he gets in the left most lane, passes me and then returns to the middle, and then to the right lane (assuming it is open). If you mathematically draw this out, then it's physically impossible to pass on the right. However, we see on the limited access highways people do not follow the law and do not keep right. Therefore you now have the ability to pass them on the right.
TLDR; If everyone followed the current law of keeping to the right except to pass, it would be impossible to pass on the right "at speed" and therefore no law is needed for passing on the right, as is it superfluous and caused only by an error state of an existing law. However, passing on the right is still "wrong" but not because YOU are doing something wrong, it is emblematic that the person you are PASSING is doing something wrong. If we correct that persons behavior there is no need to correct yours, as the point is moot.
To pass is defined as the act of changing your position versus another car while you both are "at speed." This definition takes into account traffic, as that driving is not done "at speed."
The type of line denotes when you may move between lanes. So broken means both sides can move between the lanes. Solid means no one can move between the lanes. Broken on one side, solid on the other means one side can move over the other can not. Left turn lanes have unique rules in that you can only move into them but not to drive (this is the only time I know you can cross a solid line to enter a lane).
The type and or color of the line have nothing to do with passing. when combined with the type of color (to denote the road) it does mean something.
Yellow broken means you can go into opposing traffic, the only reason you would do this IS to pass. But you do not have to. Legally one could drive in that lane, assuming no traffic is coming in the other direction. Since practically this is untrue, no one drives in the opposing lane except to pass. White broken means you can change lanes, that's it. Doesn't mean you can pass in the lanes. And when I say this I'm talking about rules of the road, not the exact laws on the books. I'll explain below how the laws used together formulate these rules.
Lets use an example: If I am on a 3 lane divided limited access highway. Legally I must remain in the right lane except to pass. Therefore, I would be in the right most lane. At that same moment, all other cars would also have to be in the right most lane, unless they were passing. So the only people in the middle and left lanes are those passing other cars. So now lets say I am in the middle lane, and I'm passing a guy in the right lane, now another car comes up to me and wants to pass, so he gets in the left most lane, passes me and then returns to the middle, and then to the right lane (assuming it is open). If you mathematically draw this out, then it's physically impossible to pass on the right. However, we see on the limited access highways people do not follow the law and do not keep right. Therefore you now have the ability to pass them on the right.
TLDR; If everyone followed the current law of keeping to the right except to pass, it would be impossible to pass on the right "at speed" and therefore no law is needed for passing on the right, as is it superfluous and caused only by an error state of an existing law. However, passing on the right is still "wrong" but not because YOU are doing something wrong, it is emblematic that the person you are PASSING is doing something wrong. If we correct that persons behavior there is no need to correct yours, as the point is moot.
02-13-2017, 04:07 PM
#204
LT1, give it up man. There are many factors why our laws are the way they are, and none of them are what you mention. You can't compare germany, or any other country to ours. Roads are different, highways are different, terrain is different, drivers are different. just end it. If you don't like our laws, move there....
02-13-2017, 04:23 PM
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Wrong, so wrong. There's no rule about having to be as far right as possible all the time. You can travel in any lane indefinitely except the left. The left most lane is only one that some states have laws that say stay out unless passing. No state has a law that says you can't travel in any lane you want that isn't the left. Like I said, read statutes.
My wild-guess was this was intended for vehicles going significantly slower (trucks up a steep hill, horse drawn carriages, broken vehicles, etc...) but the way it was written could clearly mean you can get a ticket for driving in the middle lane, above the speed limit, if you are going slower than normal traffic.
"Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section;"
02-13-2017, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CSevenGS
Wrong, so wrong. There's no rule about having to be as far right as possible all the time. You can travel in any lane indefinitely except the left. The left most lane is only one that some states have laws that say stay out unless passing. No state has a law that says you can't travel in any lane you want that isn't the left. Like I said, read statutes.
Why should I "give up" when I'm correct? This is what I never get about the internet. Instead of looking at someone's argument, and objectively looking at it everyone just gets pissed off.
I've yet to see a better, more logical, thought out argument than what I've presented. I will continue to present my argument clarifying ad nauseam until someone convinces me otherwise using a better argument.
You don't have to like what I'm saying, but if you want me to shut up, get better at arguing. I just don't roll over cause I'm not speaking something popular.
02-13-2017, 05:41 PM
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Humm. Not sure where your info about yellow lane lines in the US came from but on 2 lane roads and highways in Missouri, yellow striping is only used to denote passing zones. If fact every state I've driven in has the same rule.
Solid white lines usually mean do not cross. White or yellow skip lines mean you may pass at anytime if the road is clear. If there is a yellow solid line running parallel to the white or yellow skips the traffic on the solid yellow side may not pass. A solid yellow line on both sides of the white or yellow skips means neither lane may pass.
On a roadway with 3 or more lanes you are required to be in the far right lane except to pass. However, that rule is almost never enforced due to the number of merge ramps and so forth. Staying in the left lane is enforced regularly. Some people just don't understand that legally you cannot stay in the left lane just because you are doing the legal speed limit. And, unfortunately, some drivers do it because they don't care.
Solid white lines usually mean do not cross. White or yellow skip lines mean you may pass at anytime if the road is clear. If there is a yellow solid line running parallel to the white or yellow skips the traffic on the solid yellow side may not pass. A solid yellow line on both sides of the white or yellow skips means neither lane may pass.
On a roadway with 3 or more lanes you are required to be in the far right lane except to pass. However, that rule is almost never enforced due to the number of merge ramps and so forth. Staying in the left lane is enforced regularly. Some people just don't understand that legally you cannot stay in the left lane just because you are doing the legal speed limit. And, unfortunately, some drivers do it because they don't care.
02-13-2017, 08:53 PM
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Humm. Not sure where your info about yellow lane lines in the US came from but on 2 lane roads and highways in Missouri, yellow striping is only used to denote passing zones. If fact every state I've driven in has the same rule.
Solid white lines usually mean do not cross. White or yellow skip lines mean you may pass at anytime if the road is clear. If there is a yellow solid line running parallel to the white or yellow skips the traffic on the solid yellow side may not pass. A solid yellow line on both sides of the white or yellow skips means neither lane may pass.
On a roadway with 3 or more lanes you are required to be in the far right lane except to pass. However, that rule is almost never enforced due to the number of merge ramps and so forth. Staying in the left lane is enforced regularly. Some people just don't understand that legally you cannot stay in the left lane just because you are doing the legal speed limit. And, unfortunately, some drivers do it because they don't care.
Solid white lines usually mean do not cross. White or yellow skip lines mean you may pass at anytime if the road is clear. If there is a yellow solid line running parallel to the white or yellow skips the traffic on the solid yellow side may not pass. A solid yellow line on both sides of the white or yellow skips means neither lane may pass.
On a roadway with 3 or more lanes you are required to be in the far right lane except to pass. However, that rule is almost never enforced due to the number of merge ramps and so forth. Staying in the left lane is enforced regularly. Some people just don't understand that legally you cannot stay in the left lane just because you are doing the legal speed limit. And, unfortunately, some drivers do it because they don't care.
"Pavement markings are used to convey messages to roadway users. They indicate which part of the road to use, provide information about conditions ahead, and indicate where passing is allowed. Yellow lines separate traffic flowing in opposite directions. Drivers should stay to the right of yellow lines. A solid yellow line indicates that passing is prohibited. A dashed yellow line indicates that passing is allowed. White lines separate lanes for which travel is in the same direction. A double white line indicates that lane changes are prohibited. A single white line indicates that lane changes are discouraged. A dashed white line indicates that lane changes are allowed."
90 second Google search. Notice how all the white line comments say "lane changing" NOT passing.
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02-14-2017, 08:17 AM
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From the government: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/services/...2090/index.htm
"Pavement markings are used to convey messages to roadway users. They indicate which part of the road to use, provide information about conditions ahead, and indicate where passing is allowed. Yellow lines separate traffic flowing in opposite directions. Drivers should stay to the right of yellow lines. A solid yellow line indicates that passing is prohibited. A dashed yellow line indicates that passing is allowed. White lines separate lanes for which travel is in the same direction. A double white line indicates that lane changes are prohibited. A single white line indicates that lane changes are discouraged. A dashed white line indicates that lane changes are allowed."
90 second Google search. Notice how all the white line comments say "lane changing" NOT passing.
"Pavement markings are used to convey messages to roadway users. They indicate which part of the road to use, provide information about conditions ahead, and indicate where passing is allowed. Yellow lines separate traffic flowing in opposite directions. Drivers should stay to the right of yellow lines. A solid yellow line indicates that passing is prohibited. A dashed yellow line indicates that passing is allowed. White lines separate lanes for which travel is in the same direction. A double white line indicates that lane changes are prohibited. A single white line indicates that lane changes are discouraged. A dashed white line indicates that lane changes are allowed."
90 second Google search. Notice how all the white line comments say "lane changing" NOT passing.
02-14-2017, 08:32 AM
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I'm astonished there are Corvette owners who minimize the importance of lane protocol on our roads. Anyone who doesn't grasp this concept should spend a week driving on Germany's autobahn. They get it there. If you don't you learn quickly when some high zoot car blows up your clueless 110 km/h *** at 250+ km/h. NOBODY in Germany sits in the left lane unless they're passing or driving at high speed. When people clog up the left lane it compels other drivers to pass on the right. I don't EXPECT to be passed on the right, I shouldn't have to worry about it (of course I always check regardless) but it kind of sucks when you to to move laterally towards your Exit and some imbecile nearly clips you going 20 mph faster than you (out of nowhere) as you move to the right.
If it was codified into law (it should be, it probably is in some states) and police enforced it for once (they should) our highways would be safer places to drive. I think it's reckless driving to sit in the left lane driving 60 in a 65 zone as one driver after another has to move right to pass you creating an assembly line of accidents waiting to happen. It's ridiculous, it's commonplace and it wouldn't be hard to change the culture. If I saw that as a cop I'd ticket the ******* for reckless driving and they could see me in friggin court.
If it was codified into law (it should be, it probably is in some states) and police enforced it for once (they should) our highways would be safer places to drive. I think it's reckless driving to sit in the left lane driving 60 in a 65 zone as one driver after another has to move right to pass you creating an assembly line of accidents waiting to happen. It's ridiculous, it's commonplace and it wouldn't be hard to change the culture. If I saw that as a cop I'd ticket the ******* for reckless driving and they could see me in friggin court.
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02-14-2017, 08:57 AM
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Obviously it would be crazy to try and enforce "keep right except to pass" in a place like Los Angeles. But that's six lanes of people going 3 mph 24/7. Who cares? 
In our little burg where the freeways still mostly work, I routinely see three cars up ahead taking all three lanes with no other traffic around them.
And it is even more common to see them door to door in the two slower lanes. Again nothing else around.
I take the on-ramp behind cars all the time that proceed to move directly from the merge lane to the fast lane.
I see people come up on another vehicle from behind and move to pass, then slow and match the other cars speed.
No one should have to make four lane changes to pass.
Statistically, male drivers are most irritated with a blocked passing lane and female drivers are most annoyed by tailgating. So a man behind a woman in the fast lane is a perfect storm.
In our little burg where the freeways still mostly work, I routinely see three cars up ahead taking all three lanes with no other traffic around them.
And it is even more common to see them door to door in the two slower lanes. Again nothing else around.
I take the on-ramp behind cars all the time that proceed to move directly from the merge lane to the fast lane.
I see people come up on another vehicle from behind and move to pass, then slow and match the other cars speed.
No one should have to make four lane changes to pass.
Statistically, male drivers are most irritated with a blocked passing lane and female drivers are most annoyed by tailgating. So a man behind a woman in the fast lane is a perfect storm.
02-14-2017, 09:54 AM
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My argument is the lines (when white) mean nothing about when you can and cannot pass. The argument presented by someone earlier was they did. Since passing is not mentioned in the uniform traffic code in regards to white lines one can't say it's "automatically" legal.
In my opinion, the use of the word lane changing was done on purpose as to not have to have additional lane markings to define passing zones for traffic going next to each other. Therefore one must know the law, and can't use the road lines as guidance for passing when they are painted white.
02-14-2017, 09:56 AM
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Obviously it would be crazy to try and enforce "keep right except to pass" in a place like Los Angeles. But that's six lanes of people going 3 mph 24/7. Who cares?
In our little burg where the freeways still mostly work, I routinely see three cars up ahead taking all three lanes with no other traffic around them.
And it is even more common to see them door to door in the two slower lanes. Again nothing else around.
I take the on-ramp behind cars all the time that proceed to move directly from the merge lane to the fast lane.
I see people come up on another vehicle from behind and move to pass, then slow and match the other cars speed.
No one should have to make four lane changes to pass.
Statistically, male drivers are most irritated with a blocked passing lane and female drivers are most annoyed by tailgating. So a man behind a woman in the fast lane is a perfect storm.
In our little burg where the freeways still mostly work, I routinely see three cars up ahead taking all three lanes with no other traffic around them.
And it is even more common to see them door to door in the two slower lanes. Again nothing else around.
I take the on-ramp behind cars all the time that proceed to move directly from the merge lane to the fast lane.
I see people come up on another vehicle from behind and move to pass, then slow and match the other cars speed.
No one should have to make four lane changes to pass.
Statistically, male drivers are most irritated with a blocked passing lane and female drivers are most annoyed by tailgating. So a man behind a woman in the fast lane is a perfect storm.
Germans drive just like we do when they get in a traffic jam. But once the congestion ends, slow cars move right, and everyone gets out of that left lane (and most cars leave the center lane unless they are traveling at a rate of speed in which they are constantly passing cars in the right lane).
02-14-2017, 10:47 AM
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Similar experience back in 1978. Afternoon sun going down, driving on Highway 70 through Kansas. Return trip from the St Louis Corvette plant watching them build the silver anniversary edition which we were going to order. 73 Yellow 454 running 61 mph, no traffic in sight. Spotted a grey & black state car between some rocks checking traffic. As we passed he followed for what seemed ten miles. Finally I pulled over and he stopped to the rear turning on the emergency lights. Yup, , speeding, 61 in a 55. As he put his right foot on my rechromed bumper he had to know he was dealing with a quick temper. That said after securing my license I explained I was also a law enforcement officer and back home we rarely stop cars for less that 15 over the limit. He says its purely a monetary thing, no insurance reporting, just a $10.00 fine. I asked how much is obstructing. He says fighting ? That is $25.00. I said add it on as we will both be in the ditch. He closes his citation book, says have a good day, and drives away. He was a soft spoken older officer nearing retirement probably caught between upset motorists and managements justification budget. In this period any violation was surely blamed on the " quota system ", not the facts involved in the infraction.
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02-14-2017, 11:14 AM
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It's not frowned upon? Do you know how to drive a car? I'm not even talking legally at this point. I'm talking how one is taught to drive.
Keep right except to pass inherently means do not pass on right.
The fact I have to even have this argument shows that we do not teach people in this country how to operate a motor vehicle. I'd venture that 50-75% of our citizenry would fail a drivers test in any European country.
Yet we put them behind the wheel of a 3000+ lb death mobile. Thanks for proving my point!
Keep right except to pass inherently means do not pass on right.
The fact I have to even have this argument shows that we do not teach people in this country how to operate a motor vehicle. I'd venture that 50-75% of our citizenry would fail a drivers test in any European country.
Yet we put them behind the wheel of a 3000+ lb death mobile. Thanks for proving my point!
02-14-2017, 11:36 AM
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It doesn't explicitly define the broken white line as a passing zone. It does explicitly define it as a changing lane zone.
My argument is the lines (when white) mean nothing about when you can and cannot pass. The argument presented by someone earlier was they did. Since passing is not mentioned in the uniform traffic code in regards to white lines one can't say it's "automatically" legal.
In my opinion, the use of the word lane changing was done on purpose as to not have to have additional lane markings to define passing zones for traffic going next to each other. Therefore one must know the law, and can't use the road lines as guidance for passing when they are painted white.
My argument is the lines (when white) mean nothing about when you can and cannot pass. The argument presented by someone earlier was they did. Since passing is not mentioned in the uniform traffic code in regards to white lines one can't say it's "automatically" legal.
In my opinion, the use of the word lane changing was done on purpose as to not have to have additional lane markings to define passing zones for traffic going next to each other. Therefore one must know the law, and can't use the road lines as guidance for passing when they are painted white.
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02-14-2017, 11:51 AM
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Michigan expressly prohibits it on 2 lane (same direction) roads. 3 or more lanes must exist for passing on the right to be legal. However this is due to a function of congestion not driving etiquette.
The fact that both "Keep Right except to Pass" and" "No Passing on Right, on roads with 2 or less lanes in the same direction" means that passing on the right is generally frowned upon (because of the associative property of mathematics).
02-14-2017, 11:56 AM
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My opinion, is when I don't know the law, I err on the side of caution. One will never get a ticket for passing on the left at a lawful speed. One might (jurisdiction dependent) get one for passing on the right. Ergo, it is more prudent to never pass on the right.
The earlier point still stands, as that this is never enforced even when it is law, so people ignore it and then always pass on the right because they never fear being pulled over.
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02-14-2017, 12:06 PM
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If it was codified into law (it should be, it probably is in some states) and police enforced it for once (they should) our highways would be safer places to drive. I think it's reckless driving to sit in the left lane driving 60 in a 65 zone as one driver after another has to move right to pass you creating an assembly line of accidents waiting to happen. It's ridiculous, it's commonplace and it wouldn't be hard to change the culture. If I saw that as a cop I'd ticket the ******* for reckless driving and they could see me in friggin court.
Similar experience back in 1978. Afternoon sun going down, driving on Highway 70 through Kansas. Return trip from the St Louis Corvette plant watching them build the silver anniversary edition which we were going to order. 73 Yellow 454 running 61 mph, no traffic in sight. Spotted a grey & black state car between some rocks checking traffic. As we passed he followed for what seemed ten miles. Finally I pulled over and he stopped to the rear turning on the emergency lights. Yup, , speeding, 61 in a 55. As he put his right foot on my rechromed bumper he had to know he was dealing with a quick temper. That said after securing my license I explained I was also a law enforcement officer and back home we rarely stop cars for less that 15 over the limit. He says its purely a monetary thing, no insurance reporting, just a $10.00 fine. I asked how much is obstructing. He says fighting ? That is $25.00. I said add it on as we will both be in the ditch. He closes his citation book, says have a good day, and drives away. He was a soft spoken older officer nearing retirement probably caught between upset motorists and managements justification budget. In this period any violation was surely blamed on the " quota system ", not the facts involved in the infraction.
