Speeding ticket for 6MPH over speed limit-Vette tax
#261
So if TWO people rob a liquor store and there is only one officer present, he can't arrest the suspect he runs down unless he is ALSO able to catch the other one?
#263
You'll typically see those kind of citations written when there were additional, more egregious reasons for the stop (e.g., following too closely for the speed traveled), but the officer cuts them a break and gives them a lesser ticket.
#264
At the start of every shift, an officer is supposed to validate the accuracy of the unit and sign off that this has been done. Many departments require this be done several times during the officer's shift. I have seen citations thrown out because the officer could not produce the testing certs for the day the citation was written.
Yea, I thought so.
#265
In my experiences, it's always a bad idea to tell cops they are not infallible.
the officer can only pull over one vehicle at a time, anyway.
I have seen 1 cop pull over more than one car before.
The procedure used is to drive up to the driver's side window, use a bullhorn and tell them to wait on the side of the road until they return.
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#266
The CITATION was for 1 MPH over, but how fast was he traveling when he was stopped? Odds are, reasonably faster than 1 MPH over.
#267
So is using a turn signal
So is not tailgating
So is keeping right except to pass
So is going under the minimum speed except when there is traffic
So is having working lights (head, turn, brake, and tail)
Except who gets tickets for those? Not many, based on what I see day in day out on the roads.
If you want to use the argument "It's the law" then ALL laws need to be enforced. If they aren't, why enforce ANY of them? I mean, it's not up to the cop to decide which ones to enforce. I'd say to them, do your job, or don't. But don't pick and choose depending on your mood.
So is not tailgating
So is keeping right except to pass
So is going under the minimum speed except when there is traffic
So is having working lights (head, turn, brake, and tail)
Except who gets tickets for those? Not many, based on what I see day in day out on the roads.
If you want to use the argument "It's the law" then ALL laws need to be enforced. If they aren't, why enforce ANY of them? I mean, it's not up to the cop to decide which ones to enforce. I'd say to them, do your job, or don't. But don't pick and choose depending on your mood.
#268
That might be the MO in the larger (state) departments, but I can guarantee you that pre and post shift "calibrations" of radar units or speedometers are NOT part of most municipal or county department procedures, nor are tickets dismissed because of same in those jurisdictions.
#269
#270
No it doesn't. It means stay out of the left lane unless you're passing.
If there are two tables in a restaurant and one is labeled as a handicapped table and the other isn't, does that mean someone who is handicapped can't sit at the non-labeled table?
If there are two tables in a restaurant and one is labeled as a handicapped table and the other isn't, does that mean someone who is handicapped can't sit at the non-labeled table?
#271
BALONEY
You always have a choice. My rule: NEVER plead guilty.
The worst that can happen if you plead not guilty is that you are found guilty. Most likely pleading not guilty will result in a reduced fine and/or points.
This isn't hypothetical, it's worked for me in every speeding ticket I've got.
You always have a choice. My rule: NEVER plead guilty.
The worst that can happen if you plead not guilty is that you are found guilty. Most likely pleading not guilty will result in a reduced fine and/or points.
This isn't hypothetical, it's worked for me in every speeding ticket I've got.
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#272
There's no rule about having to be as far right as possible all the time. You can travel in any lane indefinitely except the left. The left most lane is only one that some states have laws that say stay out unless passing. No state has a law that says you can't travel in any lane you want that isn't the left. Like I said, read statutes.
Here in MI, roadways with two lanes moving in one direction require to to keep right except to pass.
Three or more lanes moving in one direction do not have the keep right requirement.
If you are otherwise legally occupying any lane other than the left lane in the 2-lane/same direction situation identified above, you are perfectly fine maintaining your lane.
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#273
MCL 257.634 covers lane use. Specifically, subsections (2) and (3) apply to the use of the left-hand lane by traffic.
(2) Upon a roadway having 2 or more lanes for travel in 1 direction, the driver of a vehicle shall drive the vehicle in the extreme right-hand lane available for travel except as otherwise provided in this section. However, the driver of a vehicle may drive the vehicle in any lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the same direction of travel when the lanes are occupied by vehicles moving in substantially continuous lanes of traffic and in any left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the same direction of travel for a reasonable distance before making a left turn.
(3) This section shall not be construed to prohibit a vehicle traveling in the appropriate direction from traveling in any lane of a freeway having 3 or more lanes for travel in the same direction.
(3) This section shall not be construed to prohibit a vehicle traveling in the appropriate direction from traveling in any lane of a freeway having 3 or more lanes for travel in the same direction.
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Court costs are chicken feed compared to increased insurance rates for three years. And pleading not guilty in my experience has resulted in the the court magistrate in PA reducing a speeding ticket to 5 over with no points and no reporting to insurance. A damn good deal.
#275
This is largely standard throughout the US, although some states do allow certain things that others don't (e.g., in CA you can cross over a solid white line to pass, but not a solid yellow line, while in other states you can't cross over a solid white line to pass).
There are far, far too many types of lane markings to discuss in a post. Your local DMV is a good place to learn your state's laws.
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#276
Court costs are chicken feed compared to increased insurance rates for three years. And pleading not guilty in my experience has resulted in the the court magistrate in PA reducing a speeding ticket to 5 over with no points and no reporting to insurance. A damn good deal.
If you've been assessed court costs because you fought the ticket and lost, you're going to be paying those court costs AND increased insurance rates, so fighting it and losing doesn't gain anything.
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First, if the State has a policy of not reporting infractions that have no State points the insurance company has no way of knowing anything occurred.
What I described in PA is not hypothetical. And it's not about losing or winning. You are still going to pay a fine because you plead guilty to a lesser offense but your insurance will not increase. It amounts to plea bargaining.
What I described in PA is not hypothetical. And it's not about losing or winning. You are still going to pay a fine because you plead guilty to a lesser offense but your insurance will not increase. It amounts to plea bargaining.
#278
Drifting
Personally I did not like it when I'd light up the guy in front of me, and the guy in front of him would also pull over. You never really know what is the situation when that happens...
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Just curious.
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That might be the MO in the larger (state) departments, but I can guarantee you that pre and post shift "calibrations" of radar units or speedometers are NOT part of most municipal or county department procedures, nor are tickets dismissed because of same in those jurisdictions.
In fact if you can prove the cop radared you at speed you can sometimes get out of a ticket. Michigan law states the officer must "see you travelling at a questionable rate of speed" and the "verify that speed with his radar." Now I last checked those when I was 19 (so in 2000), the law may have changed, but I feel that's why you usually get a break on your ticket here. That way you DON'T fight it. Because either you win, and pay nothing, or you lose and PAY MORE!
EDIT: I see you're in Michigan. So maybe they changed the laws. The last time I looked up this information was again in 2000. I know photo cameras are illegal here because of some wording like that about the officer having to actually SEE you.
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