Corvette Owner Busted by GoPro for Insurance Fraud
02-13-2017, 09:40 PM
#41
Melting Slicks
Here you go. If I broke the rules I apologize in advance:
http://www.chizmarklarson.com/Motorsports.5.htm
http://www.chizmarklarson.com/Motorsports.5.htm
On-Track Coverage to Cover Vehicle Against Physical Damage Caused by an Accident While in Motion Under Own Power and/or While the Race or Practice is Deemed in Progress* Agreed Value up to $1,000,000 per vechicle.
And this under it:
*Limited to Certain Type of Vehicle and League
I bet it's VERY limited and VERY costly.
I still saw nothing about drag strip coverage specifically.
02-13-2017, 11:15 PM
#43
Burning Brakes
So you disagree, care to elaborate?
People that pay to use a track are paying for a privilege to use a stretch of asphalt that is supposed to be safer than a public road. If the venue that owns the track isn't keeping it maintained or clean, I believe there is cause for litigation to determine the level of accountability the track shares in any accident that ensues.
It may very well be that they have limits of liability drivers much sign and agree to but generally those are voided where neglect can be established. I'd certainly consider not cleaning the track after another patron leaks fluids as preventable and subsequently neglectful.
People that pay to use a track are paying for a privilege to use a stretch of asphalt that is supposed to be safer than a public road. If the venue that owns the track isn't keeping it maintained or clean, I believe there is cause for litigation to determine the level of accountability the track shares in any accident that ensues.
It may very well be that they have limits of liability drivers much sign and agree to but generally those are voided where neglect can be established. I'd certainly consider not cleaning the track after another patron leaks fluids as preventable and subsequently neglectful.
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02-14-2017, 02:01 AM
#45
Melting Slicks
Someone should get an insurance provider to join the forum and post here to tell us what they really cover. Then see if anyone can understand what it means. You go to the track, sign your life away, have fun. If something happens its on you even if someone else caused it. Can't be any other way and have the tracks survive. Insurance for racing isn't feasible.
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02-14-2017, 07:24 AM
#46
Burning Brakes
To be fair to the driver of the car, he didn't have anything to do with the video. It was shot by a production company and he tried suing them for posting it. Still, I'm glad he got caught.
Last edited by Mister Big; 02-14-2017 at 07:51 AM.
02-14-2017, 07:50 AM
#47
Le Mans Master
Someone should get an insurance provider to join the forum and post here to tell us what they really cover. Then see if anyone can understand what it means. You go to the track, sign your life away, have fun. If something happens its on you even if someone else caused it. Can't be any other way and have the tracks survive. Insurance for racing isn't feasible.
The guy who wrecked his Corvette, yeah he just wanted to have fun at the strip and as they say "pay to play". Where he really messed up was lying to his insurance company that he wrecked his car on a highway. It's called fraud.
He is really lucky he just got probation and a fine. Of course he is out the cost of his car and I am sure he will have a very hard time getting an insurance company to cover him in the future but he learned a lesson.
And especially don't lie when you post Go Pro footage on the Internet.
Last edited by thill444; 02-14-2017 at 07:50 AM.
02-14-2017, 07:51 AM
#48
Le Mans Master
02-14-2017, 07:52 AM
#49
Someone should get an insurance provider to join the forum and post here to tell us what they really cover. Then see if anyone can understand what it means. You go to the track, sign your life away, have fun. If something happens its on you even if someone else caused it. Can't be any other way and have the tracks survive. Insurance for racing isn't feasible.
02-14-2017, 08:05 AM
#51
Le Mans Master
Anyone with half a brain knows your normal Geico car insurance is not going to cover you at the drag strip. The guy decided to do it anyway and the burden to cover it is on him should he wreck.
It's a risk you take when you take your street car to the track.
Insurance companies are smart. If there was money to be made insuring street cars at the drag strip they would offer it. I suspect they don't offer it because they have done the math and this is high risk and low reward.
02-14-2017, 08:29 AM
#52
I think you re mistaken !!! Texas Mile is not what a conventional drag strip event ;;
Ironically the drag strip in general (,not what main subject of this thread is about ) is the safest form of driving that ever and will ever exist ; I'll list my opinion based on 500 drag passes and millions of highway driving ( I'm only 35 years of age) this order in safest to least ; insurances companies can say they follow wtv law but they only follow what will make them the most money
1) ihra or nhra drag strip
2) driving to work
3) driving to work on inclement weather
4) road coarse events or roll racing at a drag strip
5) 3 honk racing on public roads in "Mexico "
Ironically the drag strip in general (,not what main subject of this thread is about ) is the safest form of driving that ever and will ever exist ; I'll list my opinion based on 500 drag passes and millions of highway driving ( I'm only 35 years of age) this order in safest to least ; insurances companies can say they follow wtv law but they only follow what will make them the most money
1) ihra or nhra drag strip
2) driving to work
3) driving to work on inclement weather
4) road coarse events or roll racing at a drag strip
5) 3 honk racing on public roads in "Mexico "
http://www.naughtoninsurance.com/serv_motorsport.html
02-14-2017, 08:39 AM
#53
Melting Slicks
So you disagree, care to elaborate?
People that pay to use a track are paying for a privilege to use a stretch of asphalt that is supposed to be safer than a public road. If the venue that owns the track isn't keeping it maintained or clean, I believe there is cause for litigation to determine the level of accountability the track shares in any accident that ensues.
It may very well be that they have limits of liability drivers much sign and agree to but generally those are voided where neglect can be established. I'd certainly consider not cleaning the track after another patron leaks fluids as preventable and subsequently neglectful.
People that pay to use a track are paying for a privilege to use a stretch of asphalt that is supposed to be safer than a public road. If the venue that owns the track isn't keeping it maintained or clean, I believe there is cause for litigation to determine the level of accountability the track shares in any accident that ensues.
It may very well be that they have limits of liability drivers much sign and agree to but generally those are voided where neglect can be established. I'd certainly consider not cleaning the track after another patron leaks fluids as preventable and subsequently neglectful.
You go racing, ALL bets are off. You take your own safety in YOUR hands. You expect the track operators to check the entire track after every pass? No one does that except the NHRA and they bring their own safety crew with them. Even the NHRA when they hold an event at a track only inspects the track after every pass on the fastest classes of cars.
Local tracks at regular events only check the track if something happens that is obvious like blown engine or lots of smoke or a crash, otherwise they are pushing cars down the track.
Racing isn't riding a bus or plane that someone else is responsible for.
Racing is dangerous, do it at your own risk. But the lawyers of the world will find ways to sue and make a buck off anything. This is partially what's wrong with the country now, no responsibility for your own actions.
This crash was driver error in my opinion.
Last edited by FASTFATBOY; 02-14-2017 at 08:43 AM.
02-14-2017, 09:51 AM
#54
Le Mans Master
I don't know man, if there is water on the damn track halfway down, I'd argue that is on the track. They have some level of responsibility here.
If it's something like a drop of oil, well that happens.
If it's something like a drop of oil, well that happens.
02-14-2017, 10:00 AM
#55
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You must live in a pretty little boxed up world.
You go racing, ALL bets are off. You take your own safety in YOUR hands. You expect the track operators to check the entire track after every pass? No one does that except the NHRA and they bring their own safety crew with them. Even the NHRA when they hold an event at a track only inspects the track after every pass on the fastest classes of cars.
Local tracks at regular events only check the track if something happens that is obvious like blown engine or lots of smoke or a crash, otherwise they are pushing cars down the track.
Racing isn't riding a bus or plane that someone else is responsible for.
Racing is dangerous, do it at your own risk. But the lawyers of the world will find ways to sue and make a buck off anything. This is partially what's wrong with the country now, no responsibility for your own actions.
This crash was driver error in my opinion.
You go racing, ALL bets are off. You take your own safety in YOUR hands. You expect the track operators to check the entire track after every pass? No one does that except the NHRA and they bring their own safety crew with them. Even the NHRA when they hold an event at a track only inspects the track after every pass on the fastest classes of cars.
Local tracks at regular events only check the track if something happens that is obvious like blown engine or lots of smoke or a crash, otherwise they are pushing cars down the track.
Racing isn't riding a bus or plane that someone else is responsible for.
Racing is dangerous, do it at your own risk. But the lawyers of the world will find ways to sue and make a buck off anything. This is partially what's wrong with the country now, no responsibility for your own actions.
This crash was driver error in my opinion.
Every road course I've been to has take safety deadly serious. I've never felt more safe on road than I have on a track.
Engineering and Science will teach you a controlled environment (or experiment) where the conditions are known is always safer (or as we say more predictable) than a random environment where the conditions are constantly changing.
You sound extremely uninformed.
02-14-2017, 10:11 AM
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On another topic..........that was a sweet looking car!!! Loved the blacked out hood carried to the rear. Tough day at the track, hate to see that.
02-14-2017, 10:41 AM
#57
So you disagree, care to elaborate?
People that pay to use a track are paying for a privilege to use a stretch of asphalt that is supposed to be safer than a public road. If the venue that owns the track isn't keeping it maintained or clean, I believe there is cause for litigation to determine the level of accountability the track shares in any accident that ensues.
It may very well be that they have limits of liability drivers much sign and agree to but generally those are voided where neglect can be established. I'd certainly consider not cleaning the track after another patron leaks fluids as preventable and subsequently neglectful.
People that pay to use a track are paying for a privilege to use a stretch of asphalt that is supposed to be safer than a public road. If the venue that owns the track isn't keeping it maintained or clean, I believe there is cause for litigation to determine the level of accountability the track shares in any accident that ensues.
It may very well be that they have limits of liability drivers much sign and agree to but generally those are voided where neglect can be established. I'd certainly consider not cleaning the track after another patron leaks fluids as preventable and subsequently neglectful.
Small print....
02-14-2017, 10:48 AM
#58
Melting Slicks
Based on your comments in this thread you sound like an insurance adjuster who has never been to a road course.
Every road course I've been to has take safety deadly serious. I've never felt more safe on road than I have on a track.
Engineering and Science will teach you a controlled environment (or experiment) where the conditions are known is always safer (or as we say more predictable) than a random environment where the conditions are constantly changing.
You sound extremely uninformed.
Every road course I've been to has take safety deadly serious. I've never felt more safe on road than I have on a track.
Engineering and Science will teach you a controlled environment (or experiment) where the conditions are known is always safer (or as we say more predictable) than a random environment where the conditions are constantly changing.
You sound extremely uninformed.
Every road course you've been to takes safety "deadly serious"??? I have been to MANY events and the "tech in procedure" at HPDE events is VERY lax. To say they "generally" check the car would be an overstatement. All organizations I run with make you fill out your own tech sheet where YOU had the car inspected. All they do at tech is check the lug nuts, make sure the battery is secure, check your helmet and to assign you a number and the correct run group sticker on the front glass.
You can't put drag racing or the event this guy crashed his car at and a HPDE or road racing event even remotely in the same conversation as they are totally different. In my opinion I have been tech'd MUCH harder at a regular drag strip in a car that ran mid 10's than I have ever been tech'd at any road course event. But like many drag strips a "test and tune" or grudge race Sunday" has zero tech, none.....nada.
When you enter the gates at any race track with the intentions of getting on track it's dangerous, speed kills when you hit a stationary object. Guys die doing HPDE events, 2 at Road Atlanta in the last 5 or so years and there have been at least 10 over the last 6 years or so.
I just can't get over the blame game in life, no one takes the hit for a F up it's always call a lawyer and point the finger away from yourself.
02-14-2017, 10:53 AM
#60
Wtv what's the point of insuring a car if you can't race it and have a bad day ;;; insurance sucks as far as I know you can't pay enough money to get insurance at drag strip !!! If it happen to me I would tell the truth and insist they pay for it *** don't think the guy really deserves since he had to white lie to get what he pays for and in turn has to pay and pay even more
My 2 cents
My 2 cents
Do you have any idea what car insurance would cost for any car deemed, statistically likely to ever be used in a racing event?
The price of a policy on a Toyota Prius would likely remain just about the same as it is now........but the price on a V8 Pony car or Corvette would sky rocket ........NEEDLESSLY for the rest of us who don't ever take our cars to the track.
There is good reason that insurance doesn't cover you at the track and you are VERY SHORT-SIGHTED for suggesting it should.
