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MacMulkin is wrong. I just posted this on the base C7 thread, but alas, here is the same subject again. Z51 is NOT A MODEL. It is a Performance Package:
Uh huh. Sure. And even on the forum no one can agree. Now we have this old argument: Is Z51 a separate MODEL or is it an option package? And everyone weighs in and says, by God, their definition is CORRECT and everyone else is WRONG! And as the above post shows (from the other thread.)
Corvette Stingray
Corvette Grand Sport
Corvette Z06
Notice there is no mention of a Z51 "model." And when you click on "models" you get the same three models listed above. Now, if you click on "Corvette Stingray," voila! You get the base model, but it's not until you click on "#2 Trims" that you even see "Z51." And what does it say?
"1LT with Z51 Performance Package" and beneath that it says, "The Z51 1LT includes all the features of the 1LT plus the Z51 performance package." The listings for 2LT and 3LT mirror this language.
So here we have it directly from the horse's mouth. The Z51 is NOT A MODEL. It is a PACKAGE that you can get within the "Corvette Stingray MODEL." How can you argue otherwise when the official site says it so clearly? If Z51 were a a model,, it would be listed beneath Corvette Stingray and above Corvette Grand Sport. It wouldn't even be a "Stingray." It would be a "Z51" But it is not listed separately in the list of MODELS. Instead it is listed as a "Performance Package" as an option WITHIN the choices for building the Corvette Stingray MODEL.
What you are effectively doing here is citing someone else who makes the same mistake as "evidence." It isn't. It's just the same mistake again.
AVAILABLE MODELS
Stingray Coupe (1YY07)
Stingray Coupe with Z51 Package (1YX07)
Stingray Convertible (1YY67)
Stingray Convertible with Z51 Package (1YX67)
Grand Sport Coupe (1YW07)
Grand Sport Convertible (1YW67)
Z06 Coupe (1YZ07)
Z06 Convertible (1YZ67)
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Last edited by Always Red Dave; 03-11-2017 at 04:22 PM.
When a dealership orders a Stingray without Z51 the model code is 1YY07 (coupe) or 1YY67 (convertible). A Stingray with Z51 is 1YX07 or 1YX67. Those who give a damn whether or not it's a separate model now have an additional piece of information to consider.
AVAILABLE MODELS
Stingray Coupe (1YY07)
Stingray Coupe with Z51 Package (1YX07)
Stingray Convertible (1YY67)
Stingray Convertible with Z51 Package (1YX67)
Grand Sport Coupe (1YW07)
Grand Sport Convertible (1YW67)
Z06 Coupe (1YZ07)
Z06 Convertible (1YZ67)
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Last edited by Always Red Dave; 03-11-2017 at 04:28 PM.
MacMulkin is wrong. I just posted this on the base C7 thread, but alas, here is the same subject again. Z51 is NOT A MODEL. It is a Performance Package:
Uh huh. Sure. And even on the forum no one can agree. Now we have this old argument: Is Z51 a separate MODEL or is it an option package? And everyone weighs in and says, by God, their definition is CORRECT and everyone else is WRONG! And as the above post shows (from the other thread.)
Corvette Stingray
Corvette Grand Sport
Corvette Z06
Notice there is no mention of a Z51 "model." And when you click on "models" you get the same three models listed above. Now, if you click on "Corvette Stingray," voila! You get the base model, but it's not until you click on "#2 Trims" that you even see "Z51." And what does it say?
"1LT with Z51 Performance Package" and beneath that it says, "The Z51 1LT includes all the features of the 1LT plus the Z51 performance package." The listings for 2LT and 3LT mirror this language.
So here we have it directly from the horse's mouth. The Z51 is NOT A MODEL. It is a PACKAGE that you can get within the "Corvette Stingray MODEL." How can you argue otherwise when the official site says it so clearly? If Z51 were a a model,, it would be listed beneath Corvette Stingray and above Corvette Grand Sport. It wouldn't even be a "Stingray." It would be a "Z51" But it is not listed separately in the list of MODELS. Instead it is listed as a "Performance Package" as an option WITHIN the choices for building the Corvette Stingray MODEL.
What you are effectively doing here is citing someone else who makes the same mistake as "evidence." It isn't. It's just the same mistake again.
Oh Lord....somebody pass me the popcorn...
First of all...who really cares? Whether it's a base Stingray, or a Stingray Z51 - it's a CORVETTE...that's all that matters.
If you want to argue with me - and tell me I'm a full of **** be my guest, but in the past the Z51 Package has been a brake and suspension package - if you want to call it a "Performance" package - be my guest. We all pronounce tomato differently, but in the end - they're still fruit.
Starting with the C7 generation - Corvette invoices show Z51 in the title of the car rather than just with the option codes. If you want to think that the Z51 is it's own model, great. If you don't...great.
Rolling eyes...
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Oh Lord....somebody pass me the popcorn...
First of all...who really cares? Whether it's a base Stingray, or a Stingray Z51 - it's a CORVETTE...that's all that matters.
If you want to argue with me - and tell me I'm a full of **** be my guest, but in the past the Z51 Package has been a brake and suspension package - if you want to call it a "Performance" package - be my guest. We all pronounce tomato differently, but in the end - they're still fruit.
Starting with the C7 generation - Corvette invoices show Z51 in the title of the car rather than just with the option codes. If you want to think that the Z51 is it's own model, great. If you don't...great.
Rolling eyes...
"STARTING WITH THE C7 GENERATION-CORVETTE INVOICES SHOW Z51 IN THE TITLE OF THE CAR RATHER THAN JUST WITH THE OPTION CODES."
Good enough for me that the C7 Z51 is classified as its own separate MODEL once and for all! I AM SOLD ON WHAT MACMULKIN SAYS!!!!!! CONGATULATIONS #2 LARGEST CORVETTE DEALER IN THE WORLD!:thumbs:
Last edited by Always Red Dave; 03-11-2017 at 04:58 PM.
Then you are sold on disinformation. MacMulkin has one job to do: Sell cars. That's all. If they can sell cars by calling an option a model, they'll do it. That does not mean they are experts. Sadly, most (but not all) sales people are not. They have a very rudimentary knowledge of the cars they sell. If the Sales Manager says, "Dudes, the Z51 is a model," you can bet the sales people will parrot it. That does not make it true nor credible. The fact that a Z51 has a separate code from a non-Z51 doesn't automatically make it a different model. You can tell what they have done on the web site. It goes like this under "#2 Trims"
1LT
2LT
1LT with Z51 Performance Package
2LT with Z51 Performance Package
3LT
3LT with Z51 Performance Package
Pick one. From that listing right there you can see each option, i.e.: The 6 options listed, will have a different code. Having a different code right there does not transform it magically to a different model. it corresponds to a different "trim" because that's where these options are listed, a step below the selection of the "model," which is the "2017 Corvette Stingray" which is at the top of the page. You don't even select this at the top of the model listing. It's buried another level deep under "#2 Trim" The other two models you can select two levels up are Grand Sport and Z06.
Now if you select #3 Colors you get to choose body color and accent stripes. Each one of those also gets a code, too. And so on through the various options, all for the same model, a Corvette Stingray.
Now you are basing the idea that a Z51 is a different "model" on the idea that this designation is part of the initial code. But consider: The convertible has a different initial code than the coupe, right? Does that mean the convertible is a different "model"? No. The convertible (different code) is the same model as the coupe (different code). This is consistent between the three models: Stingray, Grand Sport, and Z06. The initial code includes a model designation as well as a designation for coupe or convertible, and a designation for the Z51 Performance Package, or not.
So the theory that a different initial code distinguishes a different model is disproved. The web site is correct. MacMulkin, bless their hearts, is wrong. That's not surprising since at least some of their sales people don't know the difference between a CTS-V and a CTS Vsport. To hang your hat on that idea perpetuates disinformation. It's based on mythology. It's Fake News.
Then you are sold on disinformation. MacMulkin has one job to do: Sell cars. That's all. If they can sell cars by calling an option a model, they'll do it. That does not mean they are experts. Sadly, most (but not all) sales people are not. They have a very rudimentary knowledge of the cars they sell. If the Sales Manager says, "Dudes, the Z51 is a model," you can bet the sales people will parrot it. That does not make it true nor credible. The fact that a Z51 has a separate code from a non-Z51 doesn't automatically make it a different model. You can tell what they have done on the web site. It goes like this under "#1 Trims"
1LT
2LT
1LT with Z51 Performance Package
2LT with Z51 Performance Package
3LT
3LT with Z51 Performance Package
Pick one. From that listing right there you can see each option, i.e.: The 6 options listed, will have a different code. Having a different code right there does not transform it magically to a different model. it corresponds to a different "trim" because that's where these options are listed, a step below the selection of the "model," which is the "2017 Corvette Stingray" which is at the top of the page. You don't even select this at the top of the model listing. It's buried another level deep under "#2 Trim" The other two modes you can select two levels up are Grand Sport and Z06.
Now if you select #3 Colors you get to choose body color and accent stripes. Each one of those also gets a code, too. And so on through the various options, all for the same model, a Corvette Stingray.
Now you are basing the idea that a Z51 is a different "model" on the idea that this designation is part of the initial code. But consider: The convertible has a different initial code than the coupe, right? Does that mean the convertible is a different "model"? No. The convertible (different code) is the same model as the coupe (different code). This is consistent between the three models: Stingray, Grand Sport, and Z06. The initial code includes a model designation as well as a designation for coupe or convertible, and a designation for the Z51 Performance Package, or not.
So the theory that a different initial code distinguishes a different model is disproved. The web site is correct. MacMulkin, bless their hearts, is wrong. That's not surprising since at least some of their sales people don't know the difference between a CTS-V and a CTS Vsport. To hang your hat on that idea perpetuates disinformation. It's based on mythology. It's Fake News.
The Z51 is also an option code(forced) on the Grand Sport.
If the Z51 is a separate model, then how can it also be part of a different model, the GS?
Then you are sold on disinformation. MacMulkin has one job to do: Sell cars. That's all. If they can sell cars by calling an option a model, they'll do it. That does not mean they are experts. Sadly, most (but not all) sales people are not. They have a very rudimentary knowledge of the cars they sell. If the Sales Manager says, "Dudes, the Z51 is a model," you can bet the sales people will parrot it. That does not make it true nor credible. The fact that a Z51 has a separate code from a non-Z51 doesn't automatically make it a different model. You can tell what they have done on the web site. It goes like this under "#1 Trims"
1LT
2LT
1LT with Z51 Performance Package
2LT with Z51 Performance Package
3LT
3LT with Z51 Performance Package
Pick one. From that listing right there you can see each option, i.e.: The 6 options listed, will have a different code. Having a different code right there does not transform it magically to a different model. it corresponds to a different "trim" because that's where these options are listed, a step below the selection of the "model," which is the "2017 Corvette Stingray" which is at the top of the page. You don't even select this at the top of the model listing. It's buried another level deep under "#2 Trim" The other two modes you can select two levels up are Grand Sport and Z06.
Now if you select #3 Colors you get to choose body color and accent stripes. Each one of those also gets a code, too. And so on through the various options, all for the same model, a Corvette Stingray.
Now you are basing the idea that a Z51 is a different "model" on the idea that this designation is part of the initial code. But consider: The convertible has a different initial code than the coupe, right? Does that mean the convertible is a different "model"? No. The convertible (different code) is the same model as the coupe (different code). This is consistent between the three models: Stingray, Grand Sport, and Z06. The initial code includes a model designation as well as a designation for coupe or convertible, and a designation for the Z51 Performance Package, or not.
So the theory that a different initial code distinguishes a different model is disproved. The web site is correct. MacMulkin, bless their hearts, is wrong. That's not surprising since at least some of their sales people don't know the difference between a CTS-V and a CTS Vsport. To hang your hat on that idea perpetuates disinformation. It's based on mythology. It's Fake News.
But the trim packages don't have different MODEL #'S like the car itself!
That would be like saying ZO6 with 2LZ 3LZ or a GS with 1LT,2LT or 3LT which is a whole different animal . OPTONS RATHER THAN CAR ITSELF!
03-11-2017, 04:15 PM
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