3 Mods, ECS base supercharger kit, American racing Headers, meth injection 754/676
01-29-2014, 05:23 PM
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3 Mods, ECS base supercharger kit, American racing Headers, meth injection 754/676
Now this is how you get the most HP per $$ spent in my opinion. 
This is a tried and true combination that we have been doing for many years in the C6 world, we literally have a hundreds of C6's on the road making over 700 rwhp with these basic mods ONLY, with many of those that have ran in the 9's this way with supporting tires.
This is nothing more then our base kit with the restrictor plate removed, no other changes made to it. We added meth injection, and of course a quality set of American Racing headers.
This is way under the max RPM of this blower, so with a pulley change, which does not require the head unit to be removed to change when you have an ECS kit, even more power is right on tap.
We could reproduce this set up in a two day turn around if need be, and our distributors will be able too as well as long as scheduling allows of course. That is up to the individual installer.
For someone getting this installed in our shop, if your not local, we would set you up with a car and a nice hotel room for the night, there are a long list of places to go to close by from golf courses, Great Adventure, outlet stores, or the beach and you can drive home the next day with over 700 rwhp.
That's where our years of experience comes into play.
Look for some even more impressive numbers coming soon from our friends at Vengeance Racing too!
This is a tried and true combination that we have been doing for many years in the C6 world, we literally have a hundreds of C6's on the road making over 700 rwhp with these basic mods ONLY, with many of those that have ran in the 9's this way with supporting tires.
This is nothing more then our base kit with the restrictor plate removed, no other changes made to it. We added meth injection, and of course a quality set of American Racing headers.
This is way under the max RPM of this blower, so with a pulley change, which does not require the head unit to be removed to change when you have an ECS kit, even more power is right on tap.
We could reproduce this set up in a two day turn around if need be, and our distributors will be able too as well as long as scheduling allows of course. That is up to the individual installer.
For someone getting this installed in our shop, if your not local, we would set you up with a car and a nice hotel room for the night, there are a long list of places to go to close by from golf courses, Great Adventure, outlet stores, or the beach and you can drive home the next day with over 700 rwhp.
That's where our years of experience comes into play.
Look for some even more impressive numbers coming soon from our friends at Vengeance Racing too!
01-29-2014, 05:30 PM
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Excellent results!!! Now I know why we decided to drive thru the snow and ice instead of staying home by the fire place today.... We should have #s by tomorrow afternoon.
ECS raising the bar!!!
ECS raising the bar!!!
01-29-2014, 05:51 PM
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That said I would prefer it went to one of our installers as that would have to be carefully scheduled so I'm free when your on a dyno. I can address that in a case by case scenario and go from there.
01-29-2014, 05:52 PM
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I could actually tune the vehicle remotely after sending the base file, but I would need to check logs etc, there's a little too many variables at this level to just send file thats expected to be race ready.
That said I would prefer it went to one of our installers as that would have to be carefully scheduled so I'm free when your on a dyno. I can address that in a case by case scenario and go from there.
That said I would prefer it went to one of our installers as that would have to be carefully scheduled so I'm free when your on a dyno. I can address that in a case by case scenario and go from there.
01-29-2014, 05:58 PM
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Very impressive, appreciate y'all pushing the envelope and sharing!
01-29-2014, 06:51 PM
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Very impressive. What type of fail-safes are in place in case of a meth injection failure? 700HP is great, but if the meth fails to spray (clogged nozzle, pump failure, hose leak,etc) does it shut the car off while driving or will the engine blow up? I've mostly used meth in the past to cool air, not as a fuel source. Thoughts?
01-29-2014, 06:56 PM
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Can't wait too see your results. Just got back from Peru heading your way once the roads get cleared. Should have my car back to the dealer next week for repairs then hopefully off to you guys.
01-29-2014, 07:03 PM
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Absolutely RIDICULOUS results! Get that thing down a 1/4 strip, this car may have the record with the right driver.
This power is achieved with the stock bottom end and internals??
This power is achieved with the stock bottom end and internals??
01-29-2014, 08:26 PM
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Thank you sir!
Thanks for your interest and good question!
Here is a small write up from another section I recently wrote, the A/F ratio's do not pertain to the C7, but the rest of it does.
We have literally had customers spend the entire day at the drag strip with an inoperative meth kit, with the safeties we put in the tune, all the person did was run slower for a half a dozen passes.
We were the first company to introduce meth injection to this forum roughly 12 years ago. We have built 100's if not 1000's of meth vehicles since then and have figured out how to make it reliable and safe in the event of a failure. We are also very willing to assist anyone with the tuning and safeties of our meth system.
Simply put, we did not decide a month ago to go into builds like this and now we are an expert because we are a vendor here and said so, we have a ton of experience with these builds and are more then willing to share any and all information on our builds to our customers and vendors.
Once the weather breaks we will definitely be at the drag strip, road course, and adding some hard street use with these kits! Same as we have been since we opened our doors.
This car is 100% stock besides the 3 mods listed, thanks!
Very impressive. What type of fail-safes are in place in case of a meth injection failure? 700HP is great, but if the meth fails to spray (clogged nozzle, pump failure, hose leak,etc) does it shut the car off while driving or will the engine blow up? I've mostly used meth in the past to cool air, not as a fuel source. Thoughts?
Here is a small write up from another section I recently wrote, the A/F ratio's do not pertain to the C7, but the rest of it does.
Every meth car I build is "meth dependent" if it has meth on it, that way if it fails it doesn't take the engine out. Many think it's the other way around, but I dissagree. If the car is depending on the meth and it fails, the car falls on it's face and goes lean enough that it does not cause damage, it just doesn't make any power. Take the timing safeties out of the discussion for now, but thats also another safety.
If you are making 700 rwhp and only add .5 a point of A/F, you would never know you went from 11.5 to 12.0 and you would melt the engine down because it's still making enough power to torch things. Contrary to what many believe, it's the point just past optimal fueling A/F ratio that is the most dangerous, then it gets safer and safer from there the leaner you go. Also slower and slower.
If you leave the car at a safe A/F and just make it richer then that with the meth, then you wont have the octane needed and will crack ring gland if your up on HP. Plus richer is not always safer.
So point is, your meth fails, car falls on face. You wonder "what was that?" but once your out of boost the car runs perfect. Have the meth looked at, and your back out to race another day. A non meth dependent car does not make it as clear when if it fails, and more serious problems are likely to occur in the event of a failure.
If you are making 700 rwhp and only add .5 a point of A/F, you would never know you went from 11.5 to 12.0 and you would melt the engine down because it's still making enough power to torch things. Contrary to what many believe, it's the point just past optimal fueling A/F ratio that is the most dangerous, then it gets safer and safer from there the leaner you go. Also slower and slower.
If you leave the car at a safe A/F and just make it richer then that with the meth, then you wont have the octane needed and will crack ring gland if your up on HP. Plus richer is not always safer.
So point is, your meth fails, car falls on face. You wonder "what was that?" but once your out of boost the car runs perfect. Have the meth looked at, and your back out to race another day. A non meth dependent car does not make it as clear when if it fails, and more serious problems are likely to occur in the event of a failure.
We were the first company to introduce meth injection to this forum roughly 12 years ago. We have built 100's if not 1000's of meth vehicles since then and have figured out how to make it reliable and safe in the event of a failure. We are also very willing to assist anyone with the tuning and safeties of our meth system.
Simply put, we did not decide a month ago to go into builds like this and now we are an expert because we are a vendor here and said so, we have a ton of experience with these builds and are more then willing to share any and all information on our builds to our customers and vendors.
Once the weather breaks we will definitely be at the drag strip, road course, and adding some hard street use with these kits! Same as we have been since we opened our doors.
This car is 100% stock besides the 3 mods listed, thanks!
01-29-2014, 08:31 PM
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Using methanol as a supplemental fuel source is a very dangerous way to make power. However, you have to see the big picture here. Until fuel pump upgrades are available, this (or a camshaft upgrade) are the only two options for us. ECS is doing everyone a huge favor by pushing the internal strength limits of the motor to find out where it will break. This isn't intended to be a long term solution, its a work around until better options are available
I greatly appreciate your input, but please read my above post, we disagree on a few things. When making this kind of power from a stock block, octane is absolutely imperative to the longevity of the engine. The way we set them up provides that, if it fails it simply drops it's power like a rock, yet drives fine once out of boost without internal engine damage.
So unless there will be race fuel in the tank to provide the octane, the car would be set up this way regardless.
That said, I was able to literally shut the engine down from how much richer I could make the car in the factory ECU, there is still plenty of room left there.
01-29-2014, 09:01 PM
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Thanks! When I have a chance I will post up some data on how far we can go with meth injection before cylinder imbalance occurs from multiple cars we have ran with 8 cylinder EGT's, and what to do to fix it when once you have hit that point. That's way beyond a stock engine build though.
The customer is not looking for anymore then what we have made, so this is the end of the line with this vehicle. That said, we have made over 900 rwhp from stock LS3's that have been on the road for a long time now and raced. While being owned by a twenty something year old..
I'm not scared, and I feel very confident that I know just how to do it. If the ECU does't hold Vengeance back, it would not surprise me at all if you see those numbers from them.
The customer is not looking for anymore then what we have made, so this is the end of the line with this vehicle. That said, we have made over 900 rwhp from stock LS3's that have been on the road for a long time now and raced. While being owned by a twenty something year old..
I'm not scared, and I feel very confident that I know just how to do it. If the ECU does't hold Vengeance back, it would not surprise me at all if you see those numbers from them.
01-29-2014, 09:22 PM
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The customer is not looking for anymore then what we have made, so this is the end of the line with this vehicle. That said, we have made over 900 rwhp from stock LS3's that have been on the road for a long time now and raced. While being owned by a twenty something year old..
I'm not scared, and I feel very confident that I know just how to do it. If the ECU does't hold Vengeance back, it would not surprise me at all if you see those numbers from them.
I'm not scared, and I feel very confident that I know just how to do it. If the ECU does't hold Vengeance back, it would not surprise me at all if you see those numbers from them.
